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Sentence #4283897

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patgfisher patgfisher June 18, 2015 June 18, 2015 at 1:52:49 PM UTC link Permalink

I notice you list English as your native language.

This sentence is wrong.

User55521 User55521 June 18, 2015, edited June 18, 2015 June 18, 2015 at 2:24:42 PM UTC, edited June 18, 2015 at 2:36:55 PM UTC link Permalink

> This sentence is wrong.

This sentence is wrong according to prescriptive grammar rules, but can be found in real-world texts and descriptive dictionaries. Please see:
http://www.theatlantic.com/tech...ternet/281601/
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/because_reasons
http://www.urbandictionary.com/...ecause+reasons

Therefore, the tag '@change' should be deleted.

patgfisher patgfisher June 18, 2015 June 18, 2015 at 10:44:11 PM UTC link Permalink

Despite all that, it sounds very strange to me.

@change deleted, but perhaps a tag should be added indicating that it is not in general use.

User55521 User55521 June 18, 2015, edited June 18, 2015 June 18, 2015 at 11:17:47 PM UTC, edited June 18, 2015 at 11:22:09 PM UTC link Permalink

Probably the 'Internet slang' tag would do?

patgfisher patgfisher June 19, 2015, edited June 19, 2015 June 19, 2015 at 12:59:39 AM UTC, edited June 19, 2015 at 1:00:22 AM UTC link Permalink

> and you'll see people who do use it don't usually use a comma.

The comma made it look even stranger to me. It still looks strange without the comma.

Could I suggest that people contributing non-standard sentences like this add an Annotation about it being "internet slang" etc. This would avoid native speakers like me and others having to add comments about it being wrong etc.

Ooneykcall Ooneykcall June 19, 2015 June 19, 2015 at 2:17:16 AM UTC link Permalink

Apparently it is making its way into RL ('real life'), too, among the young, so not Internet slang specifically at this point, but certainly pretty slangy. Tagged accordingly.
The comma is optional and most often not used, that's right...

Spheniscine Spheniscine June 19, 2015 June 19, 2015 at 4:55:03 AM UTC link Permalink

OK, comma removed. I also accept the slang tag.

Horus Horus June 19, 2015 June 19, 2015 at 5:00:07 AM UTC link Permalink

Duplicates of this sentence have been deleted:
x #4284694

jamesforsyth jamesforsyth July 7, 2015 July 7, 2015 at 5:03:10 AM UTC link Permalink

Slang or not, it's wrong.

patgfisher patgfisher July 7, 2015 July 7, 2015 at 5:27:38 AM UTC link Permalink

> Slang or not, it's wrong.

+1.

James, it sounds awful to our Aussie ears, doesn't it??

jamesforsyth jamesforsyth July 27, 2015 July 27, 2015 at 6:34:42 AM UTC link Permalink

<quote>If we're following prescriptive grammar, yes. Otherwise, I think this sentence is quite normal.</unquote>

123xyz, where on earth do you come from? This has nothing to do with prescriptive vs descriptive grammar. The person who wrote it is Chinese (from memory, I checked his/her other sentences and understood this to be the case) and should stick to posting Chinese sentences unless s/he is absolutely sure s/he is contributing a non-erroneous sentence, possibly by checking with a personal source. The sentence is clearly wrong. If you think it's normal, I wonder in what environment you'd consider using it? Perhaps you are Chinese yourself, you certainly don't seem to be a native English speaker, making your comment very strange and out of place.

patgfisher patgfisher July 27, 2015 July 27, 2015 at 8:53:31 AM UTC link Permalink

> The person who wrote it is Chinese (from memory,

James. The author of the sentence, according to his profile, is a native English speaker. That's why I was so surprised at this sentence and couldn't believe a native English speaker would put such a sentence on Tatoeba.

What should have happened, of course, is that the author should have added an annotation about the sentence at the time he put it on. This would have obviated me starting off the debate in the first place.

> If we're following prescriptive grammar, yes. Otherwise, I think this sentence is quite normal.

I agree with you, James, that this sentence is far from normal. I've been speaking English for 65 years and have never heard of it and would never use it in a million years.

I'm really not sure what a sentence like this could teach anyone on Tatoeba who was using the site to learn English.


Spheniscine Spheniscine July 27, 2015, edited July 27, 2015 July 27, 2015 at 9:11:19 AM UTC, edited July 27, 2015 at 9:12:19 AM UTC link Permalink

Chinese? Really?

Note that I only placed one spot in Chinese, and haven't entered a single Chinese sentence. I haven't spoken much Chinese in years - I used to be more fluent in it, but now, I can only keep up a very basic conversation, and I probably use words wrongly.

I admit it might have helped if I had annotated this sentence, but I simply didn't realize that protocol demanded it. And like it or not, it *is* native English slang, not something only used locally in China or Malaysia or elsewhere. It's pretty common on the Internet and among younger speakers, and is attested to by various sources:

http://www.theatlantic.com/tech...ternet/281601/

jamesforsyth jamesforsyth August 11, 2015 August 11, 2015 at 2:47:57 AM UTC link Permalink

OK, thanks for posting the Atlantic article, which basically demonstrates that the sentence in question is quirky and novel. I certainly don't regard the sentence as "quite normal", and anyone who said it to me in normal conversation would make me think twice, question their English or make me think they are playing language games with me.

I agree with Pat, that the sentence has little pedagogical value, and could even be misleading for that purpose.

Maybe the author of the question thought this new type of preposition usage sounded quite fun, and decided to add it to Tatoeba for that reason. Anyhow, I'm glad it's attracted our attention and that it's been tagged.

Spheniscine Spheniscine August 11, 2015 August 11, 2015 at 12:01:33 PM UTC link Permalink

I added this sentence because this pre-existing slang construction is an excellent parallel to Lojban "ki'u zo'e". If I had to render this in "standard" English, it'd come out as something like "because of reasons that I do not care to specify".

Objectivesea Objectivesea March 23, 2018 March 23, 2018 at 6:06:36 AM UTC link Permalink

How about changing it to something like one of these, which might conceivably, at some time, have been actually uttered by someone:

I hate Tom, for certain reasons.

OR

I hate Tom, for reasons of my own.

deniko deniko March 23, 2018 March 23, 2018 at 11:40:35 AM UTC link Permalink

> How about changing it to...

I mean, why are you even contemplating the idea of changing it to something? Because reasons, heh?

I get it, it doesn't sound right to most of you, but it does sound correct to at least some native speakers, this expression exists in dictionaries, it was mentioned in the media, so it is absolutely valid. It's already tagged as "slang", so that's that, I believe.

shekitten shekitten March 23, 2018, edited March 23, 2018 March 23, 2018 at 12:00:50 PM UTC, edited March 23, 2018 at 12:01:26 PM UTC link Permalink

This is perfectly acceptable slang. People say this all the time. It's not wrong, it's in a colloquial register.

patgfisher patgfisher March 23, 2018 March 23, 2018 at 1:03:23 PM UTC link Permalink

I'd never say "I hate Tom because reasons". I would say something like "I've got my reasons for hating Tom". I wouldn't like to think that English learners would think that they could learn a sentence like this, if that's what Totoeba is designed for.

User55521 User55521 March 23, 2018, edited March 23, 2018 March 23, 2018 at 5:10:04 PM UTC, edited March 23, 2018 at 7:08:14 PM UTC link Permalink

Not all sentences on Tatoeba are applicable in every situation. We have 117 sentences with ‘thou’, 60 with ‘thee’, 78 with ‘thy’, 25 with ‘thine’, 13 with ’thyself’. If you don’t like this sentence, would you suggest deleting those 293 sentences, too? Or would you like to think it’s OK for learners to imitate them?

Sure, we don’t have a good way to distinguish ‘common everyday phrases’ from ‘obscure sentences that you don’t use everyday’. This is a problem. But I don’t think it should be solved by deleting the latter and keeping just the former. I think a better solution is to find a way to mark them to make the navigation easier for learners.

cueyayotl cueyayotl March 23, 2018, edited March 23, 2018 March 23, 2018 at 7:02:43 PM UTC, edited March 23, 2018 at 7:07:48 PM UTC link Permalink

In 2018, this sentence is no longer confined to YouTube and Facebook, but has made its way to the everyday speech of the American youth.

An equivalent would be:
"I hate Tom for some reason (which I can't think of right now, or is just too complicated to explain now...so please give me the benefit of the doubt)."

DJ_Saidez DJ_Saidez December 10, 2021 December 10, 2021 at 10:08:56 PM UTC link Permalink

This is perfectly fine as is. It's just a slangy expression.

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This sentence was initially added as a translation of sentence #4283895mi xebni la .tom. ki'u zo'e.

I hate Tom, because reasons.

added by Spheniscine, June 18, 2015

linked by Spheniscine, June 18, 2015

#4284694

linked by Ooneykcall, June 19, 2015

I hate Tom because reasons.

edited by Spheniscine, June 19, 2015

linked by Guybrush88, December 12, 2019

linked by DJ_Saidez, December 10, 2021

linked by DJ_Saidez, February 23, 2022