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Sentence #245741

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sacredceltic sacredceltic October 2, 2011 October 2, 2011 at 10:51:12 PM UTC link Permalink

does this mean that they already departed for school (this morning) or that they already went to a school (the previous year), or is it ambiguous ?

sacredceltic sacredceltic October 3, 2011 October 3, 2011 at 8:40:52 PM UTC link Permalink

Thank you very much Nero! That's really interesting for me, because I think there, you really have to be a native to know that, because from a french perspective, there is no logic at all in this tense difference and we actually differentiate otherwise:

« les enfants sont déjà allés à l'école » is actually fully ambiguous.
In order to lift this ambiguity in French,
to mean that the children already departed for school, we would actually say: « les enfants sont déjà partis à l'école »
and to mean that they already went to school in the past, we would say: « les enfants ont déjà fréquenté une/l' école »

So where you differentiate through the tense, we would by being more specific as to the verb.

sacredceltic sacredceltic October 3, 2011 October 3, 2011 at 8:42:13 PM UTC link Permalink

http://tatoeba.org/epo/sentences/show/1147658

sacredceltic sacredceltic October 3, 2011 October 3, 2011 at 8:43:35 PM UTC link Permalink

the remaining question now is for esperanto: Which of the two signifies http://tatoeba.org/epo/sentences/show/1142842

sacredceltic sacredceltic October 4, 2011 October 4, 2011 at 9:17:21 AM UTC link Permalink

>Something that would capture the meaning of the German:
>Die Kinder haben schon eine Schule besucht.

Sure? Why? I suspect the esperanto sentence is ambiguous and thus...invalid...

sacredceltic sacredceltic October 4, 2011 October 4, 2011 at 5:17:55 PM UTC link Permalink

I had it clarified http://tatoeba.org/epo/sentences/show/1142842

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