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Sentence #294599

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morbrorper morbrorper August 25, 2022, edited August 25, 2022 August 25, 2022 at 6:05:57 AM UTC, edited August 25, 2022 at 6:39:19 AM UTC link Permalink

https://idioms.thefreedictionar...sented+himself

He presented himself as what?

Comments on another forum indicate that a better translation from the Japanese is "He attented the meeting".

Yorwba Yorwba August 25, 2022 August 25, 2022 at 8:42:40 PM UTC link Permalink

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/present#Verb

5. (reflexive) To come forward, appear in a particular place or before a particular person, especially formally.

morbrorper morbrorper August 26, 2022 August 26, 2022 at 5:25:55 AM UTC link Permalink

@Yorwba: thanks for the Wiktionary reference. Still, I think "presented himself" sounds too formal, or sarcastic.

AlanF_US AlanF_US August 26, 2022 August 26, 2022 at 4:52:54 PM UTC link Permalink

You could say "He introduced himself at the meeting." That could be what was meant.

AlanF_US AlanF_US August 26, 2022 August 26, 2022 at 4:53:29 PM UTC link Permalink

@small_snow
@Pfirsichbaeumchen

What does the Japanese say?

small_snow small_snow August 26, 2022, edited August 26, 2022 August 26, 2022 at 9:28:51 PM UTC, edited August 26, 2022 at 9:45:51 PM UTC link Permalink

I would translate the Japanese sentence[#109091] as "He attended the party/meeting."

However, I thought the meaning of "attend" is the same as "present oneself". So I think "attend" could be replaced by "present oneself".

He presented himself at the party/meeting.

Is my understanding correct? or incorrect?

DJ_Saidez DJ_Saidez August 26, 2022, edited August 26, 2022 August 26, 2022 at 9:32:38 PM UTC, edited August 26, 2022 at 9:32:51 PM UTC link Permalink

I prefer "attend"

"present himself" is confusing for me

AlanF_US AlanF_US August 27, 2022 August 27, 2022 at 1:22:11 PM UTC link Permalink

To attend a meeting is simply to be there (to be present). To present oneself, in the most common current sense of the word, is more active: it can mean that one introduces oneself, either to individuals ("Hi, I'm X") or to a larger group ("Hi, I'm X, and I'm here to talk about..."). It is possible to use the word to mean "attend" with a sarcastic edge ("I see you've missed a lot of meetings. When are you going to present yourself again?"), but that requires more context.

Note that you can present yourself in a certain way: "You presented yourself as an expert, when in reality..." But that isn't what's happening in this sentence.

small_snow small_snow August 28, 2022 August 28, 2022 at 11:25:48 PM UTC link Permalink

@AlanF_US

Thank you for your detailed explanation, Alan.
It seems I was looking at a little old dictionary(bad dictionary[?]). It said the following:
"Mr.Jones presented himself at the party.; ジョーンズ氏はパーティーに*出席*した."
It was the same pattern as this pair so, I didn't understand the difference between "Appen a meeting / to be present" and "present oneself".

After reading your explanation, I looked at the other dictionaries, too.
Even though these dictionaries also had no explanation, they used easily distinguishable examples; "The man presented himself in the court.; その男は裁判所に*出頭*した", and "He presented himself at the meeting an hour late.; 彼は1時間*遅刻して会議に現れた*." and made sense. I could understand it clearly now. Thanks.

I've linked the following sentence to the Japanese sentence [#294599]
[#290611] He was present at the meeting.
Also, we can say the following, right?:
- He attended the meaning.

@DJ_Saidez
I appreciate your comment as well, Saids. Thanks as always!

@JimBreen
Are you using this pair(English-Japanese) in your dictionary? I don't think it's completely wrong, but it doesn't seem to be a very good link. Could we remove the link?

JimBreen JimBreen August 28, 2022 August 28, 2022 at 11:36:58 PM UTC link Permalink

The English is rather formal (not sarcastic), and I don't think it matches the Japanese that well. As there are over 200 sentences containing 出席, I'm dropping this pair from the example set.

small_snow small_snow August 28, 2022 August 28, 2022 at 11:43:18 PM UTC link Permalink

@JimBreen
Thank you for your response.

@AlanF_US
I've removed the link.

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