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Sentence #326477

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JimBreen JimBreen March 23, 2010 March 23, 2010 at 12:53:19 PM UTC link Permalink

@nickyeow I made the English match the Japanese better. Is the Chinese still OK?

sysko sysko March 23, 2010 March 23, 2010 at 2:47:53 PM UTC link Permalink

In that case if you want nickyeow to be warned, you should post on the chinese sentence :) for the moment an email warining is send only if you're the owner of the main sentence or if you has posted a comment on it

JimBreen JimBreen March 24, 2010 March 24, 2010 at 12:51:48 AM UTC link Permalink

Yes, it's a problem with having comments related only to one of a set of linked sentences.

nickyeow nickyeow March 24, 2010 March 24, 2010 at 9:28:27 AM UTC link Permalink

I've edited the Chinese sentence. Thanks for notifying!

sacredceltic sacredceltic August 29, 2010 August 29, 2010 at 3:36:00 PM UTC link Permalink

Actually, it is dumb people who do. Not all deaf are dumb.

Quazel Quazel September 24, 2011 September 24, 2011 at 10:14:20 AM UTC link Permalink

The japanese sentence specifies it's deaf and mute people who talk with sign language.
Just specify death make traductions kind of weird...

sacredceltic sacredceltic September 24, 2011 September 24, 2011 at 10:23:40 AM UTC link Permalink

Yes, over one year later, this sentence is still as stupid as it was : Most deaf people don't use a sign language. Only dumb people use one...

JimBreen JimBreen September 24, 2011 September 24, 2011 at 11:21:28 AM UTC link Permalink

I think I was hasty changing it last year. 聾唖 in Japanese mainly means "deaf-mute". As it says in 大辞林: "耳が聞こえず,話しことばが話せない状態。" I have now changed the English to "deaf-mute people", which is how 聾唖者 is usually translated.

sacredceltic sacredceltic September 24, 2011 September 24, 2011 at 11:27:38 AM UTC link Permalink

The vast majority of deaf people, became deaf in their old age, so they heard perfectly well during all their life and learnt to speak normally. Once deaf, the ability to speak remains, so most deaf people, never need a sign language and continue to speak normally, even louder, since they don't hear anymore what they say. So a sign language is utterly useless to them.

Sign languages are necessary only to part of the people who are either dumb or deaf from birth or both.

Being deaf from birth doesn't necessarily implies the use of sign languages, since most deaf people are taught to speak using their voice even though they can't hear it. And they usually lip-read.

So, for deaf-born people, using a sign language is an option that not all of them retain.
Subsequently only for dumb people (ie people unable to speak either from birth or later in life because of an accident, a cancer, etc...) is a sign language a necessity to express themselves.

Non-deaf nor dumb people also learn sign languages to communicate with deaf people.

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Deaf and dumb people talk with signs.

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linked by nickyeow, December 13, 2009

Deaf people talk using sign language.

edited by JimBreen, March 23, 2010

Deaf-mute people talk using sign language.

edited by JimBreen, September 24, 2011