unfortunately no one can see how beautiful this is supposed to be:

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/2341/tengwar.png
http://img179.imageshack.us/img...7/tengwar1.png

[Quenya]

Elen síla lúmenn' omentielmo

Erm... Maybe we should use the proposed Unicode Tengwar, or at least the Tengwar in the user-defined Unicode Codepoints?..

like this ? (can anyone view it properly now? I'm using tengwar telcontar with code2000 encodings)

uhm no i'm not seeing it (Mac 10.6 + Chrome or Mozilla)

hmm...this is probably gonna be a headache, let's leave it to trang :D.

Basically, you need to install the font from here:
http://freetengwar.sourceforge.net/tengtelc.html
then change your browser's font settings as described here:
for firefox
http://www.alanwood.net/unicode/firefox.html
for chrome
http://www.google.com/support/c...n&answer=95416
or
http://googlechrometutorial.com...-settings.html

ok I see it's a "microsoft words"-like hacks, because it basically only replace the "visual" part, because the font associate non-common used characters (very rare chinese-characters for example) to a tengwar character "picture"

unfortunately we can not use here for the simple this hack take the bet "ok it's very unlikely to have both Tengwar and these very rare characters we used, so it's very unlikely to have "display" bug"
but in tatoeba it's really likely to have this happen (If I translate your sentence in ancient chinese for example)
and also this is only visual, which mean I will not be able at all to make computation on this data (search engine/language detection)
When I come back home, I will try to find if Tengwar is supported by unicode

Yes, I believe this is better... Even though currenly I can’t see it ;)

Though probably the best idea would be use something like a <tengwar> tag or sth like this with a TengTeX-like input language. But it's too much work, and I doubt Trang would have time to add Quenya support anyway.

yeah :D. Unfortunately it's not supported by unicode yet (how sad!). If you guys are willing to take up this language, I could easily add ~500 sentences ;)

@sysko:
No, it’s not replacement of rarely-used characters. It’s using the characters that have been left for “Private use” in Unicode. I.e. the exact character depends on the font.

There was s Tengwar encoding proposal in Unicode, but it wasn’t adapted.

So a tag like <tengwar></tengwar> is the best solution IMO.

ok, yep I'm a idiot ^^ because I've a unicode lookup soft, and it says "private usage"
we used to talk about this kind of problematic with Trang, about languages which have really rare and hard to display correctly on browser (Shanghainese-only characters, Tibetan etc.) and for which is really difficult to find complet font, we thought to have the possibility to display sentences as generated picture, even though the text when editing will stay the original one, this way people who can add sentences in this sentences can edit/see them with their fonts, and people who don't want to set up a lot of fonts etc. would still be able to view them by choosing an hypothetic "display rare languages' sentence as picture"

Here's how it looks with the fornts I have in my system:
http://img340.imageshack.us/img...howitlooks.png :)
Nothing Chinese, as you can see.

and this would allow covering languages which have no unicode support yet

...oops if anybody out there is trying to view this sentence using firefox it won't work, you'll need to get a special version of firefox called 'Deep Park' that can handle graphite fonts. here:
http://sila.mozdev.org/grFirefox.html

Bump - is this all sorted out now? Are we getting some sort of a flag for it?

Hm, i dont know how quenya works, but you wrote a transcript as one of your comments. Is there a tengwar symbol for each letter, e.g. a:€, b:$, c:£, d:¥, etc or can one transcript letter have more than one tengwar symbols (or is it even more complex).

If it were simple, one could subkit the transcript only and care about the symbols later, right?

@jakov quenya has a lot of modes of writing and uses diacritics and carriers for vowels, that might actually be challenging to map

I'm on a Linux machine and have the fonts installed; but it doesn't work. ):

I have Tengwar Telcontar and Tengwar Formal Unicode installed.

I... the... okay