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Sentence #451051

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FeuDRenais FeuDRenais August 5, 2010 August 5, 2010 at 5:14:38 PM UTC link Permalink

Same comment as before for this one.

sacredceltic sacredceltic August 5, 2010 August 5, 2010 at 5:20:41 PM UTC link Permalink

not everybodyu understands your English, FeuDrenais, why don't you try another language with GrizaLeono ?

FeuDRenais FeuDRenais August 5, 2010 August 5, 2010 at 5:32:44 PM UTC link Permalink

@sacredceltic:

Thank you for your suggestion. However, I don't know what language GrizaLeono is most comfortable with (apart from Esperanto), and so cannot accomodate.

That being the case, I went with English, since it is the most commonly used language in the world, and the one likely to be recognized by most people.

The benefits have already made themselves visible. Because I used English, I unwittingly brought you into the conversation. With your assistance, I'm sure that we can solve this problem quickly and efficiently. Perhaps you could translate my comments into Esperanto for GrizaLeono?

@GrizaLeono:

I've marked all the Uighur-Esperanto links that I've come across. Let me know if I should keep them linked or not.

sacredceltic sacredceltic August 5, 2010 August 5, 2010 at 5:36:52 PM UTC link Permalink

I don't want to interfere. I'm merely suggesting that the absence of response might be owing to the language. i would not be surprised that people speak both Esperanto and Uyghur. Esperanto used to be very disseminated in fromer USSR, before Staline decided to to exterminate its speakers ruthlessly.

FeuDRenais FeuDRenais August 5, 2010 August 5, 2010 at 5:47:45 PM UTC link Permalink

That's a very interesting theory. However, I would be extremely surprised.

And "interfere"? Not at all. You'd be doing us both a great service. Although, a no-response time of... 15 minutes? I'd be highly worried if replying to comments within 15 minutes suddenly became a standard here.

sacredceltic sacredceltic August 5, 2010 August 5, 2010 at 5:59:44 PM UTC link Permalink

You would be extremely surprised because you're much too young to know what Esperanto has been in the former USSR before the purges.

FeuDRenais FeuDRenais August 5, 2010 August 5, 2010 at 6:14:07 PM UTC link Permalink

Partially, Sir. I recognize my youth and defer to you for guidance on these matters. However, I don't recall hearing of things being easy for Uighurs in the USSR, and I imagine that very many struggled to learn Russian, nevermind Esperanto.

The other reason why I'd be surprised is because if an Uighur had learned Esperanto in the USSR while under heavy oppression, for him to come here now at his age and spend his time on things like Tatoeba would be something very unique. Not impossible, but unlikely. Using the internet for learning languages is still very much a luxury (how many current, active Tatoeba users have ever lived under oppression, I wonder?). As far as I understand, people from backgrounds where hardships are present are less likely to use the internet for those purposes.

But I can't support any of that with hard evidence. You could very well be right. Forgive my inexperienced ramblings.

sacredceltic sacredceltic August 5, 2010 August 5, 2010 at 6:57:31 PM UTC link Permalink

ahah! But you forget another option: A Russian from a Uyghur region. Many were exiled there, including ethnic Germans or ethnic Balts from western USSR who were deported to Kazakhstan...

FeuDRenais FeuDRenais August 5, 2010 August 5, 2010 at 7:11:08 PM UTC link Permalink

I don't see them as having it easy either... And why would he have 700+ sentences in Esperanto, and 0 in Uighur and Russian?

In any case, again, I think you have a very interesting, but unlikely, theory as to the identity of GrizaLeono, who's probably going to open his inbox and wonder why on earth he has 10 e-mails from Tatoeba about a single sentence in which he did nothing wrong linguistically...

sacredceltic sacredceltic August 5, 2010 August 5, 2010 at 7:15:37 PM UTC link Permalink

ahah, because maybe he is anti-Russian and a promoter of Esperanto here...

Well, he'll probably have fun...

FeuDRenais FeuDRenais August 5, 2010 August 5, 2010 at 7:23:17 PM UTC link Permalink

One final note that I forgot to mention.

The Uighurs involved with Russians, or Russians involved with Uighurs, would not learn the Arabic script version but the cyrillic one.

Yes, I understand that there's still the %0.001 chance that he (or she) for some reason taught him or herself the Arabic script that many, many Uighurs in Xinjiang (the only place where it is used, though during Stalin's time it was also cyrillic) currently aren't even fluent in.

sacredceltic sacredceltic August 5, 2010 August 5, 2010 at 8:08:35 PM UTC link Permalink

Good point!

GrizaLeono GrizaLeono August 5, 2010 August 5, 2010 at 9:31:35 PM UTC link Permalink

I even did not know what Uighur means.
I am flemish. And indeed, I do not look to my inbox every hour. It is amusing to read all this supposed things about me. I do speak Esperanto, flemish, dutch (it is not quite the same: I learned it at school), french, german, and I understand english and a bit russian.

GrizaLeono GrizaLeono August 5, 2010 August 5, 2010 at 9:36:58 PM UTC link Permalink

to # FeuDRenais: same answer.

GrizaLeono GrizaLeono August 5, 2010 August 5, 2010 at 9:40:05 PM UTC link Permalink

to sacredceltic: "not everybodyu understands your English, FeuDrenais, why don't you try another language with GrizaLeono ?" I understand English, but Esperanto is easier...

GrizaLeono GrizaLeono August 5, 2010 August 5, 2010 at 9:46:59 PM UTC link Permalink

Dear FeuDRenais: "I've marked all the Uighur-Esperanto links that I've come across. Let me know if I should keep them linked or not". I think you already know that I do not know that language.
I am sorry... I see now that I did give troubles to you. Ĉu vi komprenas mian fuŝan anglan? (do you understand my poor English?)

FeuDRenais FeuDRenais August 5, 2010 August 5, 2010 at 9:50:05 PM UTC link Permalink

No worries. It was not a lot of trouble. I already removed all the tags.

You did dash my hopes though... I really hoped that we had a native Uighur-Esperanto speaker, as unlikely as that theory was...

FeuDRenais FeuDRenais August 5, 2010 August 5, 2010 at 9:51:11 PM UTC link Permalink

As a side note, this "debate" over your identity was probably a good lesson for all of Tatoeba (a good illustration, rather) as to why it's good to list your languages/info in your profile.

GrizaLeono GrizaLeono August 6, 2010 August 6, 2010 at 7:40:39 PM UTC link Permalink

To FeuDRenais:
I tried to add my languages to my profile (and also a picture), but I did not succeed. About your nickname: in Belgium there is a town Renaix (Ronse in flemish. This town is near the language border). So in walloon your name could be "fire of Renaix" :-)

FeuDRenais FeuDRenais August 6, 2010 August 6, 2010 at 7:56:40 PM UTC link Permalink

Heh... cool.

In my case, though, "Renais" is just short for "Renaissance" (though you probably guessed that already).

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This sentence was initially added as a translation of sentence #451043بۇ بىنادا ھېچكىم ياشىمايدۇ..

Neniu loĝas en tiu konstruaĵo.

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