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Sentence #47936

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sharptoothed sharptoothed April 10, 2013 April 10, 2013 at 3:59:05 PM UTC link Permalink

-= A native/proficient speaker's help needed. =-

Does this sentence mean the same as:

The roof of the high-rise building rises above the whole town.

?

FeuDRenais FeuDRenais April 11, 2013 April 11, 2013 at 5:34:31 PM UTC link Permalink

My opinion:

First, I would use "high-rise" with a dash, but otherwise...

In many contexts, these two will have the same meaning, but there's a stylistic difference. "overlooks", for me, creates the impression that someone standing on top of the roof would be able to see the whole town. There's a view.

"Rises", however, doesn't carry this shade of meaning. It just means that the roof of the building is higher than everything else - doesn't necessary mean that there's a nice view. It also creates a more dominant impression - the building is somehow superior to the others because of its height ("overlooks" is more passive). Also, I find that "the roof rises above" is a bit strange - though grammatically correct - as one would usually say "the building rises above" (who cares about the roof if it's the height that's important?).

tommy_san tommy_san April 11, 2013 April 11, 2013 at 5:49:13 PM UTC link Permalink

What do you say to this sentence?
"The roof of the high-rise building commands a fine view of the city."
This is what they often teach in schools in Japan. You can find many examples that come from the Tanaka Corpus.
http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentence...rom=und&to=und
I'd like to know if there's something wrong with this wording.

FeuDRenais FeuDRenais April 11, 2013 April 11, 2013 at 6:04:09 PM UTC link Permalink

It's not wrong, but it sounds a bit posh :-)

Most people would probably say "the roof has a great view of the city".

sharptoothed sharptoothed April 11, 2013 April 11, 2013 at 7:02:56 PM UTC link Permalink

Thanks, Gene! To tell the truth, for me, that "roof" is the most confusing thing about this sentence. I wonder if there's a context where it would look natural. For example, that roof has some peculiarity, etc., so we're mentioning the roof, not just the building. Is it possible?
Btw, I've found a similar sentence on the 'net:

The Castle, though old and ruinous, overlooks the whole Town. (Daniel Defoe "A Tour Through the Whole Island of Great Britain: Divided Into Circuits Or Journeys").

al_ex_an_der al_ex_an_der April 11, 2013 April 11, 2013 at 7:16:44 PM UTC link Permalink

I agree with sharptoothed; "the top of this skyscraper" seems to me much more clear and comprehensible at first glance. "Top" and "roof" may be seen as synonymx in this sentences. A roof can has every possible form. Here for instance is the roof of the famous Chrysler Building http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/buildin...yscraper_1.jpg
BUT I guess, speaking of a modern building, most of the people would rather imagine a flat roof — which can't be seen at all from the ground.

al_ex_an_der al_ex_an_der April 11, 2013 April 11, 2013 at 7:18:52 PM UTC link Permalink

"The Castle, though old and ruinous, overlooks the whole Town." That's a fine and impressive sentence, because we can see and describe the castle as if it were a person, can't we?

FeuDRenais FeuDRenais April 11, 2013 April 11, 2013 at 7:31:44 PM UTC link Permalink

"The roof overlooks..." is okay, IMO. It's just "the roof rises..." that's a bit odd. Although, like sharptoothed said, if the roof has some peculiarity, the sentence is still grammatically correct and could be used (perhaps as a linguistic experiment or with some artistic license, as well).

FeuDRenais FeuDRenais April 11, 2013 April 11, 2013 at 7:44:55 PM UTC link Permalink

Actually, "the roof rises" is also a bit confusing, since this expression seems to be used most often when describing the slope of the roof, e.g.: The roof rises 7 inches for every 20 it runs, and therefore has a slope/pitch of 7/20.

sharptoothed sharptoothed April 11, 2013 April 11, 2013 at 7:56:36 PM UTC link Permalink

2FeuDRenais
Thanks again, now things look more clear to me.

2al_ex_an_der
It's a pity that the nominal phrase maker who seeks an opinion of someone who has a level higher than B2 is no longer with us. :'(

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