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Sentence #509332

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DJ_Saidez DJ_Saidez November 4, 2021 November 4, 2021 at 3:26:44 AM UTC link Permalink

Is this right at all?

DJ_Saidez DJ_Saidez November 9, 2021 November 9, 2021 at 6:03:18 AM UTC link Permalink

Still don't like it

Pfirsichbaeumchen Pfirsichbaeumchen November 9, 2021 November 9, 2021 at 6:21:06 AM UTC link Permalink

This reminds me of some interesting Star Trek episodes that were about questions like, "Does an artificial life form have the right to own something? Should one refer to them as 'it'? Should one acknowledge them as equals?"

Pfirsichbaeumchen Pfirsichbaeumchen November 10, 2021 November 10, 2021 at 6:41:34 AM UTC link Permalink

Let's suggest deleting it then.

DJ_Saidez DJ_Saidez November 10, 2021 November 10, 2021 at 6:55:27 AM UTC link Permalink

The one thing I don’t like about that idea is the bureaucratic process imposed on corpus maintainers/admins who will have one other thing to deal with now, and which might slow things down more

DJ_Saidez DJ_Saidez November 10, 2021 November 10, 2021 at 7:19:45 AM UTC link Permalink

You’re an admin

sundown sundown November 15, 2021 November 15, 2021 at 8:57:12 PM UTC link Permalink

CK wrote:
> there are a number that should more likely be gray-listed -- those sentences that seem wrong to a number of us, but might possibly be OK in some dialects.

Are you asking for users to be able to 'grey-list' sentences written in a dialect they don't personally speak?

Pfirsichbaeumchen Pfirsichbaeumchen November 15, 2021, edited November 15, 2021 November 15, 2021 at 9:36:13 PM UTC, edited November 15, 2021 at 9:39:56 PM UTC link Permalink

A system to nominate sentences for deletion is already in place: the @delete tag. In 11 days, if no native should come forth and adopt the sentence, giving it a new hearth and home, let the grim task be mine to carry out then.

sundown sundown November 15, 2021 November 15, 2021 at 9:44:06 PM UTC link Permalink

CK seemed to be suggesting something quite different.

DJ_Saidez DJ_Saidez November 15, 2021 November 15, 2021 at 9:53:04 PM UTC link Permalink

And for that, I think the “@needs native check” tag fits that need as well, at least that’s how I use it

CK CK November 16, 2021 November 16, 2021 at 3:45:56 AM UTC link Permalink

>> there are a number that should more likely be gray-listed -- those sentences that seem wrong to a number of us, but might possibly be OK in some dialects.

>Are you asking for users to be able to 'grey-list' sentences written in a dialect they don't personally speak?

I was suggesting that in cases where you are unsure, you shouldn't black-list something, but should gray-list it, similar to the ?-mark on the rating system, meaning that you are unsure.

DJ_Saidez DJ_Saidez November 16, 2021, edited November 17, 2021 November 16, 2021 at 3:49:13 AM UTC, edited November 17, 2021 at 2:30:39 AM UTC link Permalink

Only downside of that, compared to NNC tag, is you can't search for ? marks, but you can search for NNC tag

sundown sundown November 16, 2021 November 16, 2021 at 8:03:15 PM UTC link Permalink

> I was suggesting that in cases where you are unsure, you shouldn't black-list something, but should gray-list it, similar to the ?-mark on the rating system, meaning that you are unsure.

How would that be different from the current ? button, which is labelled "Mark as 'unsure'"?

DJ_Saidez DJ_Saidez November 16, 2021, edited November 17, 2021 November 16, 2021 at 8:11:48 PM UTC, edited November 17, 2021 at 2:29:58 AM UTC link Permalink

I guess he means:

If black-list: it’s blocked from being translated so as to not pollute the corpus
If gray-list: it’s also blocked from being translated, but it can be unblocked if another user says it’s natural

Edit: deleted irrelevant ad hominem

CK CK November 16, 2021 November 16, 2021 at 11:51:33 PM UTC link Permalink


> DJ_Saidez
> 3 hours ago
> I guess he means:
>
> If black-list: it’s blocked from being translated so as to not pollute the corpus
> If gray-list: it’s also blocked from being translated, but it can be unblocked if another user says it’s natural

Not at all, I mean the same thing as...
OK = white list
Unsure = gray list

I suppose that a gray list could also include something that's likely right, but not something I'd personally say or have ever heard others say.

CK CK November 16, 2021, edited November 17, 2021 November 16, 2021 at 11:53:34 PM UTC, edited November 17, 2021 at 12:04:02 AM UTC link Permalink

> How would that be different from the current ? button, which is labelled "Mark as 'unsure'"?

It's not. However, sentences added to lists can be searched and exported.

tommy_san has some examples of gray lists. Browse his lists and you'll see some.

https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...&direction=asc

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This sentence was initially added as a translation of sentence #469081Moja je, nije njegova..

It's mine, not its.

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