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MrShoval MrShoval September 30, 2012 September 30, 2012 at 8:02:35 PM UTC link Permalink

I think it is CONCRETE that is setting.
CEMENT is a component of the cement.

wallebot wallebot September 30, 2012 September 30, 2012 at 8:04:41 PM UTC link Permalink

Cement in english is pegamento (glue) in spanih. o no?

MrShoval MrShoval September 30, 2012 September 30, 2012 at 8:09:18 PM UTC link Permalink

Right, it is also a glue.

wallebot wallebot September 30, 2012 September 30, 2012 at 8:16:37 PM UTC link Permalink

Thanks MrShoval :)

wallebot wallebot September 30, 2012 September 30, 2012 at 8:17:05 PM UTC link Permalink

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concrete
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hormigon

al_ex_an_der al_ex_an_der September 30, 2012 September 30, 2012 at 8:19:19 PM UTC link Permalink

http://www.britannica.com/EBche...9/Setting-time

I can't judge the English usage of the words, but the physical facts are: the cement is setting, this is a chemical process in which the aggregat (sand and crushed rock) is not directly involve. Of course they are affected of the process of the setting and hardening of cement, because, of course, the cement is gluing these components together. And in the end all components together provide the strength of the concrete.

al_ex_an_der al_ex_an_der September 30, 2012 September 30, 2012 at 8:22:21 PM UTC link Permalink

( > involved)
I know that in several language the word "cement" is used where "concrete" is meant. I can't say if this is only done by the general public or by the specialists too. Maybe somebody will tell us.

MrShoval MrShoval September 30, 2012 September 30, 2012 at 8:31:15 PM UTC link Permalink

In Hebrew (and so in Polish) cement is a component of concrete. It is the formal language.
Now I understand that BOTH can settle.
Thank you all :)

al_ex_an_der al_ex_an_der September 30, 2012 September 30, 2012 at 8:41:52 PM UTC link Permalink

Im not sure if you made a little mistake: Maybe you mixed up setting and settlement. But frankly speaking and if a bit of exaggeration maybe permitted; sometimes I have the impression im English almost every word may mean almost everything, so I'm not sure. By the way in German we call this process "ABBINDEN" which remembers the BINDING FORCES developping during the setting process.

MrShoval MrShoval September 30, 2012 September 30, 2012 at 8:48:28 PM UTC link Permalink

In that case, the binding forces develop in the final product: concrete/beton.
Thanks.

halfb1t halfb1t December 17, 2012 December 17, 2012 at 5:55:00 AM UTC link Permalink

Speaking carefully I should say that dry cement is mixed with water. The resulting mixture, which is pourable and may have sand or aggregate added (not too much!) is still cement and remains cement after pouring, which may be done over steel mesh or rebar. Then the cement sets. Most careful speakers will then call it concrete, although (I'm guessing) some specialists may consider it cement until it has fully dried or cured. Nonetheless I should not object to "He scratched his initials in this concrete ten years ago, when it was still wet."

I have the impression that beton is always reinforced with steel. Is that correct?

sharptoothed sharptoothed December 17, 2012 December 17, 2012 at 7:04:53 AM UTC link Permalink

> I have the impression that beton is always reinforced with steel.

Not necessary so. If we put reinforcement bars into beton (concrete) we'll get reinforced beton but if we don't we'll still get the beton provided we mixed all necessary components (including cement, of course). It seems that "cement" is a colloquial synonym for beton the people far from construction business use. This is true for Russia, at least. We often use цемент (cement) instead of бетон (beton).

MrShoval MrShoval December 17, 2012 December 17, 2012 at 4:55:16 PM UTC link Permalink

sharptoothed - precisely so.

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