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Sentence #645647

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CK CK January 6, 2015 January 6, 2015 at 1:55:47 PM UTC link Permalink

Maybe this should be deleted.
Many of boracasli's English sentences weren't good.

Pfirsichbaeumchen Pfirsichbaeumchen January 7, 2015 January 7, 2015 at 3:34:51 AM UTC link Permalink

Which are those four organs?

patgfisher patgfisher January 7, 2015 January 7, 2015 at 4:05:58 PM UTC link Permalink

1. brain
2. spinal cord
3. ?
4. ?

CK CK January 7, 2015, edited January 7, 2015 January 7, 2015 at 4:45:54 PM UTC, edited January 7, 2015 at 4:47:16 PM UTC link Permalink

Even "spinal cord" isn't likely to be considered an "organ," is it?

Should we really "lean over backwards" to keep sentences contributed by a member who has contributed so many bad sentences, not only with this username, but with others?

Maybe it's time to start cleaning these up and just deleting them.
Remember, there was a reason his account was set to inactive.

Perhaps this and all linked sentences should be deleted.

Pfirsichbaeumchen Pfirsichbaeumchen January 8, 2015 January 8, 2015 at 4:31:30 AM UTC link Permalink

I would be in favour of that.

Hybrid Hybrid January 8, 2015 January 8, 2015 at 5:46:51 AM UTC link Permalink

Maybe this is not about humans???

Pfirsichbaeumchen Pfirsichbaeumchen January 8, 2015, edited January 8, 2015 January 8, 2015 at 5:48:19 AM UTC, edited January 8, 2015 at 5:48:40 AM UTC link Permalink

Then it should say so in order to be a good example sentence, I think.

Hybrid Hybrid January 8, 2015 January 8, 2015 at 5:49:03 AM UTC link Permalink

Oh yes, I don't think it's a good example sentence.

Eldad Eldad January 8, 2015 January 8, 2015 at 9:25:46 AM UTC link Permalink

I'm in favor of retaining a sentence if (a) it's grammatically correct (or can be corrected with a minor modification) and (b) there are other sentences linked to it. We have to consider the good of the community, which can learn from all the attached sentenced (for instance, I did learn a new thing, about a certain verb and its conjugation, from one of the linked sentences).

If the sentence has logical faults, this can be remedied by adding necessary tags (such as "sci-fi", imaginary sentence or whatever tag there is for such cases).

I usually delete sentences which don't make sense grammatically.

Pfirsichbaeumchen Pfirsichbaeumchen January 8, 2015 January 8, 2015 at 1:57:58 PM UTC link Permalink

I think that if we are writing sentences about science, history, or the like, it is not enough for them to be somehow grammatically correct. The content should also be as precise and true as we can make it. I think that’s always worth the effort. ☺

CK CK January 8, 2015, edited January 8, 2015 January 8, 2015 at 2:07:58 PM UTC, edited January 8, 2015 at 2:09:30 PM UTC link Permalink

I agree.
Part of learning a language is making educated guesses as to what something means.
It aids learning if the information is correct.
If you don't know what the word "organ" means here, and tried to guess its meaning in context, you'd likely get it wrong.

mraz mraz January 8, 2015, edited January 8, 2015 January 8, 2015 at 2:12:34 PM UTC, edited January 8, 2015 at 2:16:54 PM UTC link Permalink

@CK, +1 ( It aids learning if the information is correct. )

al_ex_an_der al_ex_an_der January 8, 2015, edited January 8, 2015 January 8, 2015 at 2:27:04 PM UTC, edited January 8, 2015 at 2:35:49 PM UTC link Permalink

The nervous system consists of the central nervous system and peripheral nervous system.
The central nervous system is made up of the brain and spinal cord.
The peripheral nervous system consists of the nerves and ganglia outside of the brain and spinal cord.

I guess in the sentence "The central nervous system consists of four organs." both central and peripheral nervous system are erroneously summed.

CK CK January 8, 2015, edited January 8, 2015 January 8, 2015 at 4:27:54 PM UTC, edited January 8, 2015 at 4:34:11 PM UTC link Permalink

My feeling is that what should be done is to leave a comment, then wait 2 weeks to see if there are any people who think it's a bad idea to delete the bad example sentence, and if not, delete it.

In this case, 2 people like this sentence, so I just mark it as something I'll never use (by adding it to one of my lists), then ignore it.

To make the corpus more useful for those who want to use the data, but don't have time to proofread everything they use, it would be a good idea, in my opinion, to get rid of these kinds of sentences. Trang started this project with the idea of creating a high-quality corpus of sentences. It would be great if we could help her reach this goal.

2009-11-28:
Trang says: So the concept is : we gather a lot of data, try to organize it, ensure it is of good quality and make it freely accessible, downloadable and redistributable, so that anyone who has a great idea for a language learning application (or a language tool) can just focus on coding the application and rely on us to provide data of excellent quality.

Pfirsichbaeumchen Pfirsichbaeumchen January 26, 2015, edited January 26, 2015 January 26, 2015 at 2:57:17 PM UTC, edited January 26, 2015 at 3:01:38 PM UTC link Permalink

My suggestion would still be deleting it and all of its translations and adding a similar but in every way accurate sentence in its stead, maybe a few sentences with all the vocabulary used here. (Science-fiction is fine, but I think it should be clearly recognisable as such. It shouldn't be an excuse for a questionable sentence.) For me, that would mean a direct improvement of Tatoeba.

Eldad Eldad January 26, 2015 January 26, 2015 at 4:41:03 PM UTC link Permalink

To accommodate all parties concerned, I would suggest rephrasing the English sentence and changing accordingly all the other sentences linked to it.

CK CK March 5, 2019 March 5, 2019 at 2:05:47 AM UTC link Permalink

So, should be delete this set or not?


eng
The central nervous system consists of four organs.
heb
מערכת העצבים המרכזית מכילה ארבעה איברים.
ita
Il sistema centrale nervoso consiste di quattro organi.
rus
Центральная нервная система состоит из четырёх органов.
spa
El sistema nervioso central consta de cuatro órganos.
tur
Merkezî sinir sistemi dört organdan oluşur.
epo
La centra nervosistemo konsistas el kvar organoj.

Eldad Eldad March 5, 2019, edited March 5, 2019 March 5, 2019 at 8:53:09 PM UTC, edited March 5, 2019 at 8:53:47 PM UTC link Permalink

I would like to retain the above sentences, but I agree that maybe we should nevertheless delete boracasli's English sentence.

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Central nervous system consists of four organs.

added by boracasli, December 3, 2010

The central nervous system consists of four organs.

edited by AlanF_US, January 7, 2015