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sysko sysko January 4, 2013 January 4, 2013 at 4:14:18 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

[eng]

***** VERY IMPORTANT ******

from now I will delete any message mentioning any single user

, if you got some problem with a user you can contact me by private message, even if he first started on a public place

NON-RESPECT OF THAT RULE WILL HAVE FOR RESULT THE SEND OF A WARNING, AFTER ONE WARNING, THE SECOND ACTION WILL BE TO BLOCK THE ACCOUNT DURING ONE WEEK


same if you want to propose a user to any higher status => private message


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Demetrius Demetrius January 4, 2013 January 4, 2013 at 4:51:19 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

It's sad that we don't have public discussions anymore.

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sysko sysko January 4, 2013 January 4, 2013 at 5:03:26 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

I don't think 90% of the user want to have the wall full of message that concern only two people discussing to each other. Especially when it's going nowhere, none of the two being ready to be convinced by what the other is saying.

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sacredceltic sacredceltic January 4, 2013 January 4, 2013 at 5:05:10 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

there is no power of conviction in mere insults...

FeuDRenais FeuDRenais January 4, 2013 January 4, 2013 at 5:07:19 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

I agree. This sort of censorship is awkward.

I don't think that I agree with oksys (whose left-to-right username I don't dare mention for fear of being banned) on this one.

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sysko sysko January 4, 2013 January 4, 2013 at 5:15:40 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Well let me explain you

I don't plan to ban a user just because some people get problem with him or her. I got more than a dozen of user that I get reported to have problem discussing, collaborating with other over the now 5 years I'm on Tatoeba. I prefer to take the time to find solution through the dialogue. Unfortunately the wall is not made for that because it creates a "I need to reply fast" reflex.

The discussion that get censored would have needed my opinion as administrator (or as administrators if in the future we're several administrators), and I'm not able to follow the pace of the wall discussion, so I'm not forbidding the discussion on tatoeba, I'm forbidding it on the place where they are not appropriate.




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AlanF_US AlanF_US January 5, 2013 January 5, 2013 at 8:32:51 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

I welcome the idea of encouraging positive, constructive discussions on the wall and discouraging negative ones. I think it's a worthwhile experiment to determine whether moving away from messages that mention people by name can help us achieve that goal. Like FeuDRenais, I suspect that the policy of suppressing any message that refers to a user by name may be overly broad, but we can give it a try for a while, and if it turns out that this inhibits necessary conversation, we can ask sysko (publicly and/or privately) to amend the policy.

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sysko sysko January 6, 2013 January 6, 2013 at 12:56:29 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Sure, of course I'm not a bot and I will not blindly delete (well it's actually "move as private message", so that you can amend your post) every single message as soon as it contains a username in it. But I think it's this way clearer and easier rule to remember, and after well I'm the one applying it so I hope people trust me enough to know I'll try my best to not apply it in an excessive way.

For example of course I'm not going to remove a message from the wall if there's people talking about a userscript and one user is saying "It seems to me the user XXXX did find a workaround for this problem" etc.