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User55521 User55521 June 9, 2015, edited June 30, 2015 June 9, 2015 at 9:28:46 AM UTC, edited June 30, 2015 at 6:21:12 AM UTC link Permalink

*** Limited language list is confusing for new users ***

Currently, a user can only choose the languages they have chosen in this profile. This means, if they made a mistake when choosing a language in their profile, they will carry this mistake on to all the added sentences.

Here’s an example of an user who chose Cherokee over Chinese in the profile, and then added Chinese sentences tagged as Cherokee:
http://tatoeba.org/eng/user/profile/mng

If they had a full list of languages, they probably would have noticed they’re adding something wrong.

I have no idea how to deal with this. :/

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gillux gillux June 9, 2015 June 9, 2015 at 7:24:24 PM UTC link Permalink

I think we should restore the complete list of languages and put the profile languages on the top, the same way personal lists appears on the top when you click on the “Add to list” icon of a sentence.

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sharptoothed sharptoothed June 9, 2015 June 9, 2015 at 7:43:10 PM UTC link Permalink

I like the idea.

Lepotdeterre Lepotdeterre June 29, 2015 June 29, 2015 at 9:25:47 PM UTC link Permalink

I see that it's been implemented now.

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gillux gillux June 30, 2015 June 30, 2015 at 1:57:02 AM UTC link Permalink

No, it has been implemented everywhere but on the “add sentence” and “add translation” forms.

User55521 User55521 June 29, 2015, edited June 29, 2015 June 29, 2015 at 8:16:26 AM UTC, edited June 29, 2015 at 9:11:42 AM UTC link Permalink

Another example: http://tatoeba.org/rus/sentences/show/4313894

Upd., and more: http://tatoeba.org/rus/sentences/show/4314842

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TRANG TRANG June 29, 2015 June 29, 2015 at 2:12:45 PM UTC link Permalink

I personally don't think the problem is due to the restriction of the list but due to the fact that the rules and the form are not very clear for new users.

The form is missing some label and instruction to explain to new users that if a language is not in the list, they should add it in their profile so that they can select the correct language for the sentences they add.

This wasn't much of a problem because there was the auto-detect option. But now, users who have only 1 language in their profile don't have the auto-detect option.

I can bet that if we had the full list of languages, without the auto-detect option, a lot of languages would be wrongly added in Abkhaz, or whatever is the first language in the list.

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gillux gillux June 30, 2015 June 30, 2015 at 2:42:00 AM UTC link Permalink

> I personally don't think the problem is due to the restriction of the list but due to the fact that the rules and the form are not very clear for new users.

I think it’s both. If you look cindycute’s profile, there is only English while he or she’s a native Chinese. When people are learning a language, and they are asked to add languages they are interested in into their profile, it’s normal they don’t add their native language. Who would know? Even when you’re adding a new language into your profile because the “add sentence” or “add translation” form told you to do so, it’s not clear that we mean your native language rather than the language you want to add sentences in or translate into.

We could solve this problem by having the following process:
• Bring back the full list of languages, with autodetection selected by default.
• Autodetect the language *before* submitting the sentence, so that the user is aware of what language he or she’s about to submit.
• If the selected language isn’t in the user’s profile, display an error message “Sounds like you’re trying to add a sentence in X, but you didn’t add this language to your profile.” And if X was autodetected: “If the sentence was mistakenly detected as X, please select the correct language.”