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TRANG
antaŭ 8 horoj
** Tatoeba update **

In preparation of Sunday's update, if you have a bit of time, please test the dev website.
https://dev.tatoeba.org

The main change is:
https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2/issues/829

Additionally, you can test another change that is planned for a later update:
https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2/issues/577
https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2/pull/1311

This change is about duplicate sentences, and I will need your feedback especially about the points I mentioned in this comment:
https://github.com/Tatoeba/tato...ment-249448836

Thank you!
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bill
antaŭ 6 horoj - redaktita antaŭ 6 horoj
#Duplicate Sentences

I think it would be more intuitive to display the error message below the input. Just like this:
http://imgur.com/a/W6IoO

I recommend you to take a look at this page: https://material.google.com/com...ine-text-field
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CK
CK
antaŭ 4 horoj - redaktita antaŭ 4 horoj
I like the way it is.

1. no extra message necessary if added.

2. The alert at the top, so you immediately know the sentence wasn't added, then the sentence that is the duplicate.

This seems more intuitive to me.

Here's an image for those who want to see how it is now.
https://cloud.githubusercontent...c3fc32f4bd.png
(I took this screenshot earlier to show another problem.)
AlanF_US
hieraŭ
I'm thrilled that Trang has fixed the major source of slowdown and reenabled search. I'm especially impressed that she accomplished this in the middle of the workweek. You're amazing, Trang!
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sabretou
hieraŭ
Seconded. Brilliant work on the part of Trang, and anyone else involved.
bill
hieraŭ
She rocks! :)
Greatly done, Trang, and many thanks to you. ☺
Ricardo14
antaŭ 13 horoj
+1,000,000,000,000
TRANG
antaŭ 8 horoj
Thank you all =)

The cause for the recent slowdown was not obvious, but it was not too difficult to identify. And it was very easy to solve. The tough part was to figure out where to focus the investigations.

Before I found out what was the cause, my main fear was that the slowdown was caused by the growing number of sentences in the corpus, and if that was the case, it would have been much more difficult to fix. But it turns out that even with 5+ million sentences, we're still fine.

The problem was related to the lists, and it was a problem that existed ever since we introduced the lists feature, years and years ago. It was just clearly noticeable before because we had less traffic on the website, and because we also had less sentences added to lists.

If nobody used the lists feature and we had just a couple thousand sentences added to lists, the website would have kept good response time. But we have over 1 million sentences added to lists today.

If you were visiting the website while only a few other people are browsing at the same time as you, you would also not notice any significant slowdown, because with fewer visitors the server can manage to process your request right away.

If however you visit the website during rush hour, that's pretty much the same problem as when you go to the supermarket during rush hour. You have to wait in line. The server cannot work fast enough, it cannot process your request right away and you have to wait for it to process the requests of everyone before you.

Anyway, the crisis is over, and it's a relief. But this episode is clearly a warning that we should invest more efforts in optimization, to keep the server healthy. This is not really my cup of tea but thankfully, we have a rising active developer, Zach, who joined us back in April this year, and who will be helping on this task :)
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AlanF_US
antaŭ 6 horoj
Thank you, Zach!
Ricardo14
antaŭ 13 horoj
:: New languages added into Tatoeba ::

> Extremaduran (ext) - http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/of_user/TORRES
Thanks to TORRES - http://tatoeba.org/eng/user/profile/TORRES

> Swabian (swb) - http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentence...rantostern/swg
Thanks to Esperantostern - http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentence...rantostern/swg
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sabretou
antaŭ 10 horoj
Nice!
TRANG
antaŭ 3 tagoj
** Disabled search and "Browse by language" **

As most of you know, in the past weeks the site has become slower and slower. From my investigations, the search feature and the "Browse by language" page are the most resource hungry, which is why those two features are currently disabled.

At the time I'm writing this, the website should no longer be slow, but at the cost of disabling two the of main features of Tatoeba, and I cannot guarantee these features will be back anytime soon.

I do have specific ideas of some changes that may improve the performance of the website, but I don't know if these changes will be enough. We may need to migrate to a new server. But before we consider this path, we have to try and see what can be optimized.

If you have strong programming knowledge and are reading this, and could help optimizing the website, please contact me. Or/and join our Gitter chatroom: https://gitter.im/Tatoeba/tatoeba2
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CK
CK
antaŭ 3 tagoj - redaktita antaŭ 3 tagoj
This won't solve everyone's problem, but for those who want to browse English sentences with audio, you could temporarily try this.

http://study.aitech.ac.jp/browse/

These are 240,199 English sentences with audio by CK.

This is something I put online a couple of months ago.




There is also another option for browsing English sentences with audio, showing translations owned by native speakers.

http://www.manythings.org/sentences/audio/

These pages were generated in early 2016, so aren't up-to-date, but would still likely be useful for those who are looking for English sentences to translate into their own languages.

Depending on the time of day, this website may have a lot of traffic and be a little slow for you.
silvan
antaŭ 3 tagoj
Wow. Just so I'm clear, there's no longer a way for me to find sentence examples of specific words (in my case, mandarin ones) that I'm learning? Or is there some work-around I'm not seeing?
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TRANG
antaŭ 2 tagoj
A possible workaround suggested by CK: https://tatoeba.org/eng/wall/sh...#message_27333

Other workaround (more complex to achieve), for anyone who has programming knowledge, is to develop your own website or software to search Tatoeba sentences, by using the data that we distribute https://tatoeba.org/eng/downloads
baudelaire
antaŭ 3 tagoj
What kind of use are we expected to do of the website if it is not possible to find sentences? It might sound like a rhetoric question, but it is not, I am really curious how are we supposed to interact with tatoeba now.
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TRANG
antaŭ 2 tagoj
Contributions. Like creating new sentences, translating sentences, proofreading sentences... These are still things you can do.
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baudelaire
antaŭ 2 tagoj
How can I translate sentences if I can't find them?

Maybe I am misunderstanding the site a lot, but what I used to do was to go to "navigate by language" find all the sentences in Polish that had no translation to Spanish, and start translating. That is impossible now. The only option is to wait on the main page and wait for a sentence in Polish to show up. So, how are we supposed to interact with the website if it is impossible to find any information?

And what would be the point of adding new sentences that nobody can find to translate?
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TRANG
antaŭ 2 tagoj
You can start from the contributions instead. You can filter them by language:
https://tatoeba.org/eng/contributions/latest/pol

You can also browse by tags:
https://tatoeba.org/eng/tags/sh...with_tag/7/pol

Or browse sentences from a specific user:
https://tatoeba.org/eng/users/for_language/pol

It will for sure be more tedious to find sentences that are untranslated, but you can still find sentences this way.
Sevolfo
antaŭ 3 tagoj - redaktita antaŭ 3 tagoj
Honestly, I prefer a slow website. What's the point of a fast website if missing the main feature of all Tatoeba?
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sabretou
antaŭ 3 tagoj
+1

I did not find the website any slower than normal before the update, and I don't find it any faster now. All I see is that Search is gone. Perhaps it would be better to redirect Search queries to Google site search queries while this problem exists, because I legitimately do not understand how Tatoeba can be useful to anyone without Search.
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Pfirsichbaeumchen
antaŭ 3 tagoj
Tatoeba is significantly faster for me now. However, without the ability to find sentences, Tatoeba is bereft of its main feature.
TRANG
antaŭ 2 tagoj
Well, if that tells you anything, the load average of the server was reaching up to 14, on Monday. The server was definitely suffering.

Tatoeba is not going to be useful at the moment. But this is a temporary measure. In the worst case, we'll have to move to a more powerful server. Well actually... in the worst case, Tatoeba will have to shut down. But I don't think the problems we are facing right now are too much to handle. It'll take a week, maybe two, to stabilize. Or, if we find out we need to move to another server, maybe a month. I can't say for sure, and I don't want to give false hope before things actually get solved.

In the meantime, for sure I will add the link to http://tatoeba.ueuo.com/google.html on the search error page. I personally didn't think about it before, so thanks to CK for the top.
aliaila
antaŭ 3 tagoj
Possibly this was contributing to the problem, but I really didn't mind opening other pages and having them load in the background while I browsed another. Searching this site by Google isn't even half as fast and organized as that.
TRANG
antaŭ 2 tagoj
The point is that contributors can still make contributions in decent conditions.

If you haven't seen it, CK suggested an alternative for searching sentences, it's a pretty decent alternative: http://tatoeba.ueuo.com/google.html
DostKaplan
antaŭ 2 tagoj
Since the google search site (http://tatoeba.ueuo.com/google.html) is so fast, a temporary fix could be having Tatoeba execute a search with the google search URL behind the scenes, then "screen-scrape" the returned page with awk, sed, regexp whatever to present the user with what he is normally used to seeing. Of course, we'd have to give up the ability to submit fancy search requests, but at least Tatoeba gets its search capability back to some extent.
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TRANG
antaŭ 2 tagoj
We'd have to make sure it's okay with Google terms and conditions... which I don't think it would be okay. I think we use Google search, we have to redirect to their page.
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DostKaplan
antaŭ 2 tagoj
Well, technically, you'll be using http://tatoeba.ueuo.com/google.html, not Google directly. The ueuo.com site has permission to use Google search I assume (or not, perhaps it is not necessary). It's like if you wrote your own web page and screen-scrape the info from stocks.yahoo.com. That's how sites like trivago.com and skyscanner.com get their info from other existing travel websites.
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TRANG
antaŭ 2 tagoj
http://tatoeba.ueuo.com/google.html uses a script provided by Google.

We could reuse the same script, but we would need to display exactly what Google sends, including the ads. We can maybe change the CSS, but we cannot do the parsing of the content to present the sentences like they are usually displayed on Tatoeba.
TRANG
hieraŭ
The search is currently re-enabled.

I have possibly found the main source of the slowdown: https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2/issues/1324

If things go well, we can keep the search enabled while taking care of the rest of the optimization.

The "Browse by language" page will remain disabled for now because there is an issue to fix about it: https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2/issues/1323
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Guybrush88
hieraŭ
thank you so much for your (and, obviously, of any other developer who helped) effort :)
brauchinet
antaŭ 14 horoj - redaktita antaŭ 14 horoj
The search offers almost all the functionality of the "browse by language" page.
For example: browse recent contributions in Spanish not translated into English:
https://tatoeba.org/eng/sentenc...p;sort=created

It comes up with the last 1000 sentences, and it's reasonably fast.
CK
CK
antaŭ 2 tagoj - redaktita antaŭ 2 tagoj
The "browse by language" is temporarily not available, but the "browse by list" still works.

For those wishing to find English sentences that have already been proofread, you can try links like the following.

https://tatoeba.org/sentences_lists/show/907/jpn

This shows all 400,000+ Proofread English sentences along with any existing Japanese translations.

If a sentence doesn't yet show a Japanese sentence, that means it still needs a translation.


To convert this URL to your own native language, change the "jpn" at the end of the URL to the 3-letter code for your language.

For example:

Esperanto:
https://tatoeba.org/sentences_lists/show/907/epo
Turkish:
https://tatoeba.org/sentences_lists/show/907/tur
Italian:
https://tatoeba.org/sentences_lists/show/907/ita
Russian:
https://tatoeba.org/sentences_lists/show/907/rus
German:
https://tatoeba.org/sentences_lists/show/907/deu
French:
https://tatoeba.org/sentences_lists/show/907/fra
Spanish:
https://tatoeba.org/sentences_lists/show/907/spa
Portuguese:
https://tatoeba.org/sentences_lists/show/907/por
Hungarian:
https://tatoeba.org/sentences_lists/show/907/hun


You can also browse native language sentences by username.

The sentence counts are a few weeks old, but you can easily click the links to native language sentences by our contributors from this page.

http://tatoeba.byethost3.com/members.htm
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CK
CK
hieraŭ
** Search the 400,000+ Proofread English Sentences on List 907 **

http://aitech.ac.jp/~itesls/c/qs/907.html

I'm not sure if my web sever will support this if it gets a lot of use, but at least temporarily, I'll leave it online. So far, it seems to be working well.
CK
CK
antaŭ 2 tagoj - redaktita antaŭ 2 tagoj
** Browse Proofread English Sentences **

http://tatoeba.byethost3.com/browse/eng/1.html

This is a temporary page to help you more easily find English sentences to translate while the "browse by language" feature of tatoeba.org is disabled.

◼ Features
▪ 100 sentences per page
▪ only sentences that were on CK's List 907 (proofread good English sentences)
▪ only sentences that had no translations into any language in last Saturday's exported data
▪ sorted from shortest to longest, If you prefer long sentences, jump to the last page.
▪ These pages should be very fast for you. They are each less than 10 KB and also don't require accessing a database. Once you click a link, though, you'll have to wait for tatoeba.org to connect to the database, and deliver the 115+ KB page with the sentence.


There were over 7,000 such sentences.
maaster
antaŭ 2 tagoj
#5464360

I think this sentence of mine is right in this way as it is and needs no changes.
I want to discuss it with others who speak Hungarian.

Szerintem ez a mondat így jó; szeretném kikérni más magyarul beszélő tatoebások véleményét is.
CK
CK
antaŭ 3 tagoj - redaktita antaŭ 3 tagoj
** Google Custom Search for Tatoeba.org **

http://tatoeba.ueuo.com/google.html

Temporarily, while the search on tatoeba.org is disabled, you can try this.

In addition to standard Google searches, you can also limit the searches to just words found in the sentences, not the whole page, by limiting the Google search to words found in the "title" of the page.

Here is an example.

allintitle: tom mary boston actually


For those of you who are using my "Dashboard of Customized Links", I've inserted the Google Custom Search at the top of your pages. (You may possibly need to force a reload to get the latest external JavaScript code.)


If you aren't already using the Dashboard of Customized Links, you can create a page for yourself here.

http://study.aitech.ac.jp/tatoe...late/links.php
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hamzah
antaŭ 3 tagoj
Dankeeeee
AlanF_US
antaŭ 3 tagoj - redaktita antaŭ 3 tagoj
Thanks, CK! That page is quite useful.

Note that if you wanted to search for, say, the word מתעטש in Hebrew, you could type this in:

allintitle: מתעטש "Hebrew example sentence"

That would show only English versions of the sentence page, such as:

Hebrew example sentence: אני מתעטש הרבה. - Tatoeba

and would eliminate search results with such titles as:

Phrase d'exemple en hébreu : אני מתעטש הרבה. — Tatoeba
ejemplo de oración en Hebreo: אני מתעטש הרבה.- Tatoeba

all of which would point to the same page.

In practice, you can leave out the "alltitle:" and your results will be mostly the same.
DostKaplan
antaŭ 3 tagoj
Wow, I didn't know to come in here before to learn of a temporary alternative to doing searches. The http://tatoeba.ueuo.com/google.html URL works pretty well. Maybe this info should be part of the error message on the tatoeba website when a search is attempted and fails.
dnnywld
antaŭ 3 tagoj
Hi to all
In my opinion a slow but fully optioned site (search function is a must for those who want to learn foreign languages) is much better than a fast but (where i am?) site.
Hope to see last version reinstalled... anyway... these are only my two cents
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odexed
antaŭ 3 tagoj
I agree. Tatoeba becomes worse every day. This new interface, desired vocabulary set that doesn't work as expected and disabled search and random sentences block now.
DostKaplan
antaŭ 3 tagoj
But if you had experienced when tatoeba was really fast (when I first joined), you'd understand why the slowness issue has to be addressed. I used to use tatoeba.org as a goto page for testing if my home's wifi connection was up. It was pretty damn fast.
hamzah
antaŭ 3 tagoj
مشكلة في البحث
يرجى ان تقوموا بأسرع وقت في حل مشكلة البحث في داخل الموقع .. مع الشكر
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