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Ricardo14 Ricardo14 2016-aprilo-23 2016-aprilo-23 23:13:21 UTC link Konstanta ligilo

##New languages have been added on Tatoeba##

> Malay (Vernacular) - zlm
> Naga (Tangshang) - nst
> K'iche' - quc
> Arabic (Gulf) - afb
> Minangkabau - min
> Temuan - tmw
> Chinese (Jin) - cjy
> Maithili - mai
> Madurese - mad
> Banjar -bjn

Thanks a lot, @cueyayotl for your efforts! We wouldn't do it without you!

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brauchinet brauchinet 2016-aprilo-24 2016-aprilo-24 14:36:24 UTC link Konstanta ligilo

Did you know, that Temuan has 23.000 native speakers according to Wikipedia? Is one of them contributing? Or are these languages just a playground for one omnilingual person?

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CK CK 2016-aprilo-24, modifita 2019-oktobro-30 2016-aprilo-24 15:21:04 UTC, modifita 2019-oktobro-30 10:53:55 UTC link Konstanta ligilo

[not needed anymore- removed by CK]

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alexmarcelo alexmarcelo 2016-aprilo-24 2016-aprilo-24 15:37:19 UTC link Konstanta ligilo

I'll have to agree with that.

cueyayotl cueyayotl 2016-aprilo-24 2016-aprilo-24 17:02:04 UTC link Konstanta ligilo

Some of us come from places where people have been or are routinely ostracized or even killed for speaking minority languages. Organizations like the Summer Institute of Linguistics come to our villages, document and study our languages, and then bogart the information in volumes and other materials which require payment to be accessed. They in the end rarely help the people whose languages they study; I have personally experienced cases where the SIL uploaded a dictionary onto their site and no one from the villages where they speak the language knew about it. Tatoeba gives us the opportunity for us to share our cultures and languages freely, to create learning materials and recordings free of charge so that anyone who wants to learn a language, can. Realistically, we cannot add the thousands of "languages" that have ISO 639-3 codes, but we must do all in our power to include everybody.

>> Are we just adding these so certain members can show off their (likely less than perfect) language ability, or so that the Tatoeba Project can brag that it supports a large number of languages?

I have no idea how one can come up with such petty reasons... Maybe someone who likes playing numbers games?

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Ricardo14 Ricardo14 2016-aprilo-26 2016-aprilo-26 05:51:45 UTC link Konstanta ligilo

I do. But ONLY and JUST when I play videogames with my brothers (actually I have 3). I am quite sure that I wouldn't also be on charge on adding them if it was going to treat it as a playground. @brauchinet @CK and everybody . if you feel that my job here is messinh up Tatoeba even with Trang's supervison because I am adding languages which has 100 sentences or less FOR NOW, just let me know and I'll gladly stop adding language and unfortunately, many languages wont be represented. It's nor because we have few sentences for now on a certain language that makes it "not reliable, something that doesn't deserve to be on Tatoeba" but not having languages with potential contributors is really dangerous since we may (and will) lose several potential members that don't even know how to add a sentence (FOR NOW) - and that might not find a way to request his/her language before being added.
For EACH language I added, I did a research. Is it a language? Are that sentences valid? Can we have more contributors? Do their translations match? Are they possible copyright infringements? Thanks to @cueyayotl, @odexed those languages fullfil all that "minimal requirements" and were implemented. But if some think that I like to waste time, to damage the Corpus rather than studying languages or giving classes, feel free to ask me to stop doing that because my goal is to have as much languages as possible - as far as they follow all the requirements.
That's it.

cueyayotl cueyayotl 2016-aprilo-24 2016-aprilo-24 15:51:13 UTC link Konstanta ligilo

We've lost a huge number of possible contributors due to us not having their languages on our site. Those who have been on this site long enough know that it is possible to contribute in languages not yet added to the site, but unfortunately new users have no way of knowing this. I've added either languages of previous users who have left the site or languages with many native speakers in order to increase our chances of having a native speaker (in fact I was able to catch a native Minangkabau speaker who created an account and wasn't adding sentences: hopefully we will see much more of her here), don't worry though, I always consult native speakers before making contributions :) As has been seen with languages like Marathi, Berber and Macedonian, all it takes is a single, dedicated user to create a large corpus. Now that we can add languages to our profiles and filter out other languages, there is really no reason why we couldn't add the over 7000 "languages" with ISO 639-3 codes; it is purely for scholarly purposes and exploiting the potential of those who browse the site, "bragging" that Tatoeba supports many languages has nothing to do with it.

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pullnosemans pullnosemans 2016-aprilo-24 2016-aprilo-24 16:55:17 UTC link Konstanta ligilo

maybe it would be a good idea to display an "is your language not in our database yet? click this link for instructions on how to add a new language" kinda message on the front page or another page that is very frequently visited.

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cueyayotl cueyayotl 2016-aprilo-24 2016-aprilo-24 17:01:42 UTC link Konstanta ligilo

+1

This is definitely a great idea, and I hope it can help us minimize the number of languages with few contributions.

Ricardo14 Ricardo14 2016-aprilo-26 2016-aprilo-26 05:54:05 UTC link Konstanta ligilo

+1

corvard corvard 2016-aprilo-25 2016-aprilo-25 02:20:39 UTC link Konstanta ligilo

I don't think we have lost anything.

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cueyayotl cueyayotl 2016-aprilo-25 2016-aprilo-25 03:14:47 UTC link Konstanta ligilo

Thank you for your input; I'm sorry if my words were confusing, but I meant to say that we have "failed to obtain" or, in other words, that we have "lost opportunities to expand our corpus".