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Sentence #1524503

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gleki gleki April 10, 2012 April 10, 2012 at 12:19:24 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

doi .filipos.

don't you think that attitudinals like {.ei} can refer to the speaker only.
In relative clauses it's not possible to use {.ei} refering to anyone described.

What is your opinion about just {bilga} or at least careful usage {of .eida'oi}

Attitudinals express true emotions which you can never be sure about other people.

filipos filipos April 12, 2012 April 12, 2012 at 6:48:42 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

doi gleki

I think irrealis attitudinals (~propositional indicators) in subordinate clauses should be considered part of them. For one thing, giving short scope to attitudinals in general means they providing equal expressive power to main bridi and abstraction bridi. More importantly, for the particular case of irrealis, I see no general useful alternative interpretation.

So,
{ko'a ca .ei cliva} "ko'a should leave now"
{lo du'u ko'a ca .ei cliva} "The proposition <koha should leave now>"
{lo se du'u ko'a ca .ei cliva} "A sentence expressing that koha should leave now"

You could use {bilga} in an alternative translation. {da'oi} does not help if you think that {.ei} has long scope.

Irrealis attitudinals are a fundamental part of what is being stated, not a side emotional expression like {.ui}.

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This sentence was initially added as a translation of sentence #310964She said she must leave at once..

ko'a pu cusku lo se du'u ko'a ca .ei cliva

added by filipos, April 9, 2012

linked by filipos, April 9, 2012