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> Extremaduran (ext) - http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/of_user/TORRES
Thanks to TORRES - http://tatoeba.org/eng/user/profile/TORRES
> Swabian (swb) - http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentence...rantostern/swg
Thanks to Esperantostern - http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentence...rantostern/swg
As most of you know, in the past weeks the site has become slower and slower. From my investigations, the search feature and the "Browse by language" page are the most resource hungry, which is why those two features are currently disabled.
At the time I'm writing this, the website should no longer be slow, but at the cost of disabling two the of main features of Tatoeba, and I cannot guarantee these features will be back anytime soon.
I do have specific ideas of some changes that may improve the performance of the website, but I don't know if these changes will be enough. We may need to migrate to a new server. But before we consider this path, we have to try and see what can be optimized.
If you have strong programming knowledge and are reading this, and could help optimizing the website, please contact me. Or/and join our Gitter chatroom: https://gitter.im/Tatoeba/tatoeba2
These are 240,199 English sentences with audio by CK.
This is something I put online a couple of months ago.
There is also another option for browsing English sentences with audio, showing translations owned by native speakers.
These pages were generated in early 2016, so aren't up-to-date, but would still likely be useful for those who are looking for English sentences to translate into their own languages.
Depending on the time of day, this website may have a lot of traffic and be a little slow for you.
Other workaround (more complex to achieve), for anyone who has programming knowledge, is to develop your own website or software to search Tatoeba sentences, by using the data that we distribute https://tatoeba.org/eng/downloads
Maybe I am misunderstanding the site a lot, but what I used to do was to go to "navigate by language" find all the sentences in Polish that had no translation to Spanish, and start translating. That is impossible now. The only option is to wait on the main page and wait for a sentence in Polish to show up. So, how are we supposed to interact with the website if it is impossible to find any information?
And what would be the point of adding new sentences that nobody can find to translate?
You can also browse by tags:
Or browse sentences from a specific user:
It will for sure be more tedious to find sentences that are untranslated, but you can still find sentences this way.
I did not find the website any slower than normal before the update, and I don't find it any faster now. All I see is that Search is gone. Perhaps it would be better to redirect Search queries to Google site search queries while this problem exists, because I legitimately do not understand how Tatoeba can be useful to anyone without Search.
Tatoeba is not going to be useful at the moment. But this is a temporary measure. In the worst case, we'll have to move to a more powerful server. Well actually... in the worst case, Tatoeba will have to shut down. But I don't think the problems we are facing right now are too much to handle. It'll take a week, maybe two, to stabilize. Or, if we find out we need to move to another server, maybe a month. I can't say for sure, and I don't want to give false hope before things actually get solved.
In the meantime, for sure I will add the link to http://tatoeba.ueuo.com/google.html on the search error page. I personally didn't think about it before, so thanks to CK for the top.
We could reuse the same script, but we would need to display exactly what Google sends, including the ads. We can maybe change the CSS, but we cannot do the parsing of the content to present the sentences like they are usually displayed on Tatoeba.
I have possibly found the main source of the slowdown: https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2/issues/1324
If things go well, we can keep the search enabled while taking care of the rest of the optimization.
The "Browse by language" page will remain disabled for now because there is an issue to fix about it: https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2/issues/1323
For example: browse recent contributions in Spanish not translated into English:
It comes up with the last 1000 sentences, and it's reasonably fast.
For those wishing to find English sentences that have already been proofread, you can try links like the following.
This shows all 400,000+ Proofread English sentences along with any existing Japanese translations.
If a sentence doesn't yet show a Japanese sentence, that means it still needs a translation.
To convert this URL to your own native language, change the "jpn" at the end of the URL to the 3-letter code for your language.
You can also browse native language sentences by username.
The sentence counts are a few weeks old, but you can easily click the links to native language sentences by our contributors from this page.
This is a temporary page to help you more easily find English sentences to translate while the "browse by language" feature of tatoeba.org is disabled.
▪ 100 sentences per page
▪ only sentences that were on CK's List 907 (proofread good English sentences)
▪ only sentences that had no translations into any language in last Saturday's exported data
▪ sorted from shortest to longest, If you prefer long sentences, jump to the last page.
▪ These pages should be very fast for you. They are each less than 10 KB and also don't require accessing a database. Once you click a link, though, you'll have to wait for tatoeba.org to connect to the database, and deliver the 115+ KB page with the sentence.
There were over 7,000 such sentences.
Temporarily, while the search on tatoeba.org is disabled, you can try this.
In addition to standard Google searches, you can also limit the searches to just words found in the sentences, not the whole page, by limiting the Google search to words found in the "title" of the page.
Here is an example.
allintitle: tom mary boston actually
If you aren't already using the Dashboard of Customized Links, you can create a page for yourself here.
Note that if you wanted to search for, say, the word מתעטש in Hebrew, you could type this in:
allintitle: מתעטש "Hebrew example sentence"
That would show only English versions of the sentence page, such as:
Hebrew example sentence: אני מתעטש הרבה. - Tatoeba
and would eliminate search results with such titles as:
Phrase d'exemple en hébreu : אני מתעטש הרבה. — Tatoeba
ejemplo de oración en Hebreo: אני מתעטש הרבה.- Tatoeba
all of which would point to the same page.
In practice, you can leave out the "alltitle:" and your results will be mostly the same.
(a) when I try and use any of my links to Tatoeba functions it asks me to to log in. The "Remember me" option simply doesn't work. Once I log in I go to some sort of front page with no way of navigating to the sentence I want.
(b) in the WWWJDIC system I have links to sentences and also to the functions for amending the sentence indices. I can no longer get to these, so I can no longer work on keeping them up-to-date (I just get sent to "login", over and over again") How can I get to a link like "http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentence...ow/21660" which worked properly for years?
(c) in the past I could find sentences by searching for them using part of the text they contained. This has vanished. Why? It was extremely useful! As an example I want to get to this sentence: "サンプルは世界２００の医療機関から収集された。" How can I do it?
Hoping for some assistance.
(a) Some people have reported issues with the "Remember me". We haven't identified what's the cause. It doesn't seem to happen systematically. I personally never had the problem so far. If you get logged out despite checking the "Remember me" option, you would have to just try again.
(b) If you cannot get to some sentences anymore, this may be because they have been deleted. The example you mentioned (#21660) is a sentence that has been deleted, as you can see in the logs.
(c) There is still a search box in the sidebar. From what I've tried, it is still possible to search. You probably cannot find "サンプルは世界２００の医療機関から収集された。" either because it has been modified, or because it has been deleted.
Re: "There is still a search box in the sidebar" - I can't see any sidebar. To you mean the search box at the top of the page? I can't use that at present as it's disabled (?). The sentence I quoted (サンプルは世界...) is still there - it's #216604. I just can't seem to locate it using a search function. I have to bring up another sentence, e.g. select a random sentence, and then put the number into the "Show sentence #:" box.
For the general search feature, I disabled since yesterday it because the website has been very slow in the past weeks, to the point where it's almost unusable.
I am not sure yet when I can re-enable it. It seems that with the growth of the database, the growth of visits of the website and possible as well because of the recent changes in the search feature, our server can no longer meet the demand.
e.g. http://nihongo.monash.edu/cgi-bin/wwwjdic?10 and then access them in Tatoeba using the sentence number.
Sorry to hear about the load issues. They are a pain and once you are dependent on a big relational database there's not much you can do but throw expensive resources at them.