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TRANG TRANG 18 Haziran 2016 18 Haziran 2016 21:10:23 UTC link Kalıcı bağlantı

** Vocabulary list feature **

I'm happy to announce that a first draft of the vocabulary list feature (aka. "wish list" or "requests list") has been implemented and it is now testable on https://dev.tatoeba.org.

Related GitHub issue: https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2/issues/1166

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Ricardo14 Ricardo14 18 Haziran 2016 18 Haziran 2016 21:57:36 UTC link Kalıcı bağlantı

Thanks a lot! :D

odexed odexed 19 Haziran 2016, 19 Haziran 2016 tarihinde düzenlendi 19 Haziran 2016 00:46:57 UTC, 19 Haziran 2016 17:40:38 UTC düzenlendi link Kalıcı bağlantı

It's perhaps the most wanted feature for me. Thank you!

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TRANG TRANG 19 Haziran 2016 19 Haziran 2016 17:09:03 UTC link Kalıcı bağlantı

I updated the dev website to address the various points you mentioned. You can test again and see if there's anything else to fix or improve.

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odexed odexed 20 Haziran 2016 20 Haziran 2016 07:44:49 UTC link Kalıcı bağlantı

Thank you. Perhaps, it would be useful for me to know that somebody created an example with the word I requested. But I'm not sure what is the best way to implement this.

ToinhoAlam ToinhoAlam 19 Haziran 2016 19 Haziran 2016 15:38:11 UTC link Kalıcı bağlantı

I can't add vocabulary items using IE or Microsoft Edge. The Add vocabulary items link redirects to the same page or to Tatoeba's home page.

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TRANG TRANG 19 Haziran 2016 19 Haziran 2016 17:06:46 UTC link Kalıcı bağlantı

There can be some conflicts between the cookies from the main website and the dev website.

First, try to log out from the main website. Then log into the dev website.

AlanF_US AlanF_US 19 Haziran 2016 19 Haziran 2016 15:44:32 UTC link Kalıcı bağlantı

I'm very glad to see this moving forward. I'll have more feedback when we get to the stage of development in which we are able to ask for vocabulary items to be translated into specific languages, and/or by specific people. But for now I do have one comment: Currently, there is no caption for the drop-down list used to indicate the language of the vocabulary item, and the selected item is empty when you land on the page. Together, these make it hard to figure out what the purpose of the drop-down is, and require the user to click on it in order to see. Filling in the field with a default language (last one used, or first one in the user's profile if the user hasn't used the feature before) would help address this, and would also get rid of the problem (reported in GitHub) where an item can be added without specifying a language. Adding a caption would also help.

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TRANG TRANG 19 Haziran 2016 19 Haziran 2016 17:03:55 UTC link Kalıcı bağlantı

Thank you. I have added the label for the language dropdown.

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AlanF_US AlanF_US 19 Haziran 2016 19 Haziran 2016 21:32:24 UTC link Kalıcı bağlantı

Thanks.

PaulP PaulP 23 Haziran 2016 23 Haziran 2016 09:17:03 UTC link Kalıcı bağlantı

Looks great! But this reminds me of a similar desire that I had for a long time. I see an interesting sentence in language A and would like to have a translation of it in language B. Until now I had to write a letter to a contributor to achieve this. A simple click "Someone is especially interested in a translation into langue B" would be very useful.

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Ricardo14 Ricardo14 23 Haziran 2016 23 Haziran 2016 14:05:21 UTC link Kalıcı bağlantı

+1

Silja Silja 27 Haziran 2016 27 Haziran 2016 10:02:34 UTC link Kalıcı bağlantı

Yay, thank you!

raggione raggione 28 Haziran 2016 28 Haziran 2016 12:22:53 UTC link Kalıcı bağlantı

Thanks, TRANG, it's a wish come true.

It took me a while before I found where it's all happening. Maybe one could make it a bit more obvious for slow people like me. (Smile.)

I have added example sentences for the two German words that have been requested but they are stil displayed as having 0 Sentences. Am I doing something wrong?

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odexed odexed 28 Haziran 2016 28 Haziran 2016 12:38:01 UTC link Kalıcı bağlantı

Perhaps they are not exactly the same.

raggione 25 minutes ago
Wenn du ordentlich hinhörst, wirst du ihn auch verstehen.

hinhören
0 SENTENCES

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raggione raggione 28 Haziran 2016 28 Haziran 2016 13:25:52 UTC link Kalıcı bağlantı

I see what you mean, odexed

My "nachgerade"-sentence has not been registered either, though.

(I am talking about the dev website)

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odexed odexed 28 Haziran 2016 28 Haziran 2016 13:31:21 UTC link Kalıcı bağlantı

Indeed, your sentence can't be found via the search either.

TRANG TRANG 29 Haziran 2016 29 Haziran 2016 19:40:39 UTC link Kalıcı bağlantı

I prefer not to make too much noise about it, since there is still a huge amount of work to do on this feature. It's better if people discover it progressively :)

Regarding your sentences not showing on the dev website, this is because the search engine is not scanning new sentences on the dev website, which is why you can't find it.
Regarding the "0 sentences", this is because the number depends on the search engine. As long as your sentence is not scanned, it's not counted.

So this behavior that you're experiencing on the dev website should hopefully not happen on the main website when the feature is released.

Ricardo14 Ricardo14 30 Haziran 2016 30 Haziran 2016 00:49:23 UTC link Kalıcı bağlantı

Perhaps 10 sentences is not enough as far as we'd like as much sentences as possible. What if we'd let the user choose if it should be displayed 10, 20 or 30 and select 20 by default?
For beginners, writing 10 sentences with the word "world" would be really hard, but it won't be by natives. Besides, a beginner that sees 20,30 sentences with the word "world" would get satisfied and be able to study better, I think...

http://dev.tatoeba.org/eng/voca.../add_sentences

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TRANG TRANG 30 Haziran 2016 30 Haziran 2016 09:29:57 UTC link Kalıcı bağlantı

As far as I'm concerned, I don't think it will change much that we limit to 10, 20, 30 or any number of sentences. You could have hundreds of sentences for a certain vocabulary, and none of them are satisfying.

Keep in mind that the current implementation is only the first iteration, and there are clear limitations. The number of sentences will not be the final criteria for suggesting what vocabulary items need sentences.

Cf. my comment on GitHub for the whole picture of how the feature is going be like:
https://github.com/Tatoeba/tato...ment-221347302

TRANG TRANG 2 Temmuz 2016 2 Temmuz 2016 19:09:09 UTC link Kalıcı bağlantı

Tatoeba has been updated and the vocabulary list feature is now (finally) available on the main website :)

As said in my comment above, keep in mind that the current implementation is only the first iteration, and there are clear limitations, which I'm sure many of you will notice soon enough.

If you wish to give feedback on what could be improved, please make sure you read first all the comments on GitHub on this topic: https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2/issues/1148

Also make sure you read the guidelines about reporting issues, especially the part about focusing on describing the problem: https://github.com/Tatoeba/tato...ng-the-problem

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PaulP PaulP 2 Temmuz 2016 2 Temmuz 2016 19:51:18 UTC link Kalıcı bağlantı

The phrase "Sentences wanted for vocabulary" doesn't seem to appear in Transifex.

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TRANG TRANG 2 Temmuz 2016 2 Temmuz 2016 21:13:39 UTC link Kalıcı bağlantı

Indeed, the label should be only "Sentences wanted". I fixed it.

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PaulP PaulP 3 Temmuz 2016 3 Temmuz 2016 16:38:50 UTC link Kalıcı bağlantı

Another one that is missing in default.pot: Check out the vocabulary for which we need sentences.

Ricardo14 Ricardo14 2 Temmuz 2016 2 Temmuz 2016 20:18:01 UTC link Kalıcı bağlantı

Yaaaaaaaaay! Thanks, Trang! Thanks, everyone!

odexed odexed 3 Temmuz 2016 3 Temmuz 2016 13:10:47 UTC link Kalıcı bağlantı

I have added the word "efface" and I see that a sentence with this word already exists. But I can't find it using the search.

http://i.imgur.com/xh6uuLz.png?1

https://tatoeba.org/eng/sentenc...ce%22&from=eng

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Wezel Wezel 3 Temmuz 2016 3 Temmuz 2016 13:21:00 UTC link Kalıcı bağlantı

Have you tried including orphan sentences?
https://tatoeba.org/eng/sentenc...io=&sort=words

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odexed odexed 3 Temmuz 2016 3 Temmuz 2016 13:23:27 UTC link Kalıcı bağlantı

Thanks. I always forget about it. Perhaps they should be included by default.

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TRANG TRANG 3 Temmuz 2016 3 Temmuz 2016 14:21:52 UTC link Kalıcı bağlantı

Either the "count" needs to exclude orphan sentences, or the link to the search needs to include orphan sentences. I'm not sure yet which would be best...

But it is a definitely an inconsistency that needs to be fixed.

brauchinet brauchinet 3 Temmuz 2016, 3 Temmuz 2016 tarihinde düzenlendi 3 Temmuz 2016 15:36:46 UTC, 3 Temmuz 2016 15:38:32 UTC düzenlendi link Kalıcı bağlantı

How long does it take until the sentence count for wanted vocabulary is updated?
There are several items labeled with "0 sentences", but when you click on "0 sentences", you do get example sentences.
eg. the English "splice" has three entries.

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TRANG TRANG 3 Temmuz 2016 3 Temmuz 2016 16:37:16 UTC link Kalıcı bağlantı

It depends. With the current mechanism, it can take one hour or it can take years.

The count is updated whenever someone adds a new sentences for a vocabulary item, from the page "Vocabulary that needs sentences". But this number depends on whether or not the sentence has been indexed by the search engine. The sentences are indexed every 15 minutes I think.

So in other words, if 10 people add a sentence for "splice" in the same minute, the count will remain at "0 sentences" (because it counts only sentences that are already indexed by the search engine). And if 15 minutes later someone adds another sentence for "splice", it will jump to "10 sentences".

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brauchinet brauchinet 3 Temmuz 2016 3 Temmuz 2016 17:58:39 UTC link Kalıcı bağlantı

Well, take for example [eng] Whatsapp (oldest item from the list of wanted vocabulary): here, 7 sentences are indicated, and when you click on "7 sentences" there are indeed seven, most of them old sentences from before the wishlist feature.
Take [eng] splice: 0 sentences, though there are 3 (old) sentences.
Take [eng] radically or [deu] langgliedrig: 0 sentences, though example sentences have been added via the "Vocabulary that needs sentences" page recently (and are already indexed because they're readily found by the search engine.)

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TRANG TRANG 3 Temmuz 2016 3 Temmuz 2016 18:57:47 UTC link Kalıcı bağlantı

The count update is triggered only if someone adds a sentence from the "vocabulary wanted" page, and it is updated only for the selected item. Maybe the sentences containing "splice" were added for another vocabulary item, or maybe there were simply added from the "Add sentences" page. In which case, the count is *not* updated.

If you try now to add an English sentence by clicking on the "+" icon of "splice", you will normally see that the count is updated up to "3 sentences". The sentence you add doesn't even have to contain "splice".

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brauchinet brauchinet 3 Temmuz 2016 3 Temmuz 2016 19:35:12 UTC link Kalıcı bağlantı

Ah, yes.
This means the first sentence will not be counted until a second one is entered.

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TRANG TRANG 3 Temmuz 2016 3 Temmuz 2016 20:07:15 UTC link Kalıcı bağlantı

Yes, and only if the second sentence is entered after the first sentence has been indexed. If the second sentence is entered "too soon", then both sentences won't be counted, until a third sentence is added.

This is not going to be the final mechanism by the way. It's just a quick implementation so that the count gets updated somehow.

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CK CK 4 Temmuz 2016, 30 Ekim 2019 tarihinde düzenlendi 4 Temmuz 2016 01:04:01 UTC, 30 Ekim 2019 10:57:31 UTC düzenlendi link Kalıcı bağlantı

[not needed anymore- removed by CK]

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TRANG TRANG 4 Temmuz 2016 4 Temmuz 2016 21:27:01 UTC link Kalıcı bağlantı

There is no secondary level of sorting. It's only sorted by sentences count.

Guybrush88 Guybrush88 4 Temmuz 2016 4 Temmuz 2016 17:52:14 UTC link Kalıcı bağlantı

What about adding also a "requested by" field in the word requests list? I wanted to correct a typo in an Italian word request I found, but it was hard to find the user who requested it

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brauchinet brauchinet 4 Temmuz 2016 4 Temmuz 2016 17:56:02 UTC link Kalıcı bağlantı

+1

TRANG TRANG 4 Temmuz 2016 4 Temmuz 2016 21:28:45 UTC link Kalıcı bağlantı

This would overwhelm the page since there can be more than one person who requests a same vocabulary. This information will be part of the vocabulary details page (a page that is not yet implemented).

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CK CK 4 Temmuz 2016, 30 Ekim 2019 tarihinde düzenlendi 4 Temmuz 2016 22:38:45 UTC, 30 Ekim 2019 10:57:24 UTC düzenlendi link Kalıcı bağlantı

[not needed anymore- removed by CK]

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DostKaplan DostKaplan 5 Temmuz 2016 5 Temmuz 2016 21:20:57 UTC link Kalıcı bağlantı

Don't forget that mouse-over i.e. hovering is not applicable in mobile devices.

CK CK 12 Temmuz 2016, 30 Ekim 2019 tarihinde düzenlendi 12 Temmuz 2016 11:29:29 UTC, 30 Ekim 2019 10:56:48 UTC düzenlendi link Kalıcı bağlantı

[not needed anymore- removed by CK]

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Guybrush88 Guybrush88 12 Temmuz 2016 12 Temmuz 2016 15:38:33 UTC link Kalıcı bağlantı

+1

I would enjoy if I request an expression and someone decides to explain the proper usage to me

DostKaplan DostKaplan 5 Temmuz 2016 5 Temmuz 2016 21:25:15 UTC link Kalıcı bağlantı

I tested the "My Vocabulary" feature on the dev site. "Add Vocabulary Items" presents a dropdown labeled "Languages" but there are no language options in it, except an empty option with a blue checkmark icon.

I hope this feature allows you to annotate the vocabulary item you're trying to add as the word "pitch," for example, has many meanings: pitch a tent, low/high pitch, black as pitch, football pitch, pitch a ball, pitch between the threads of a screw, sales pitch, pitch/slope of a roof, etc.