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raggione raggione December 16, 2013 December 16, 2013 at 9:51:39 PM UTC link Permalink

hier bleiben --> hierbleiben

Gulo_Luscus Gulo_Luscus December 16, 2013 December 16, 2013 at 10:01:23 PM UTC link Permalink

Can you clarify the difference between them? I see more Google results for ''Ich muss hier bleiben.'' (http://bit.ly/1kPJVoi)

Also [#1765478] on Tatoeba

Gulo_Luscus Gulo_Luscus December 16, 2013 December 16, 2013 at 10:59:36 PM UTC link Permalink

Okay then. I think I got it. Thank you freddy :)

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So why is the third one different or why were they written apart from each other in the first two?
I mean why isn't it ''Ich hierbleibe.'' while Indikativ Perfekt is ''ich bin 'hiergeblieben''

(http://en.bab.la/conjugation/german/hierbleiben)

raggione raggione December 16, 2013 December 16, 2013 at 11:23:52 PM UTC link Permalink

"Ich bleibe hier": there is a natural stress on "hier".
"Ich muss hierbleiben": natural stress on "hier".
Both correspond.

"Ich muss hier bleiben": suggests a stress on "bleiben", which to my ear is not natural. But I could imagine it in poetry and other exceptional circumstances.

Compare: "Ich muss hier arbeiten". You would never write these words together like "Ich muss *hierarbeiten". It does not make sense to stress the "hier", which is why we separate them to show this. With "bleiben" it is a differnt matter. The stress is always, or nearly always on "hier". So you write them together.

This is a fascinating issue, Gulo. Thank you for getting back with your question. I have never thought about this before but this is how I would explain it. I hope it helps. At least a little.

Gulo_Luscus Gulo_Luscus December 16, 2013 December 16, 2013 at 11:46:32 PM UTC link Permalink

Your example, "Ich muss hier arbeiten." really made me understand the point.
Thank you both.

Horus Horus January 20, 2015 January 20, 2015 at 2:48:25 PM UTC link Permalink

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This sentence was initially added as a translation of sentence #2387306I must stay here..

Ich muss hier bleiben.

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Ich muss hierbleiben.

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