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Sentence #75614

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JimBreen JimBreen July 20, 2013 July 20, 2013 at 9:59:18 AM UTC link Permalink

Hmmm. The total rewrite of this sentence may have improved the Japanese, but it (still) doesn't match the English. Does "お姉さんが手を繋ぐ" really mean "Should I take your hand"?

wakatyann630 wakatyann630 July 21, 2013 July 21, 2013 at 10:27:46 AM UTC link Permalink

I rewrote 「手をとってあげようか?」 ->「手をつないであげようか?」.
The translation of "Should I take your hand?" would be 「私が手をつなぐべきですか?」literally. but It's not natural in this situation.

I translated:
"I" -> 「お姉さん」 by original sentence.
"Should I ..." -> 「~してあげようか?」 because It's more kind phrase, and It's from someone elder(お姉さん)'s consideration for Ren.

JimBreen JimBreen July 21, 2013 July 21, 2013 at 11:27:42 AM UTC link Permalink

Thanks. I'd missed the point about an older sister calling *herself* お姉さん. The rather odd English in the third part doesn't help. I think it would make more sense if it was "Every year you get lost immediately". I think that fits the Japanese OK.

tommy_san tommy_san July 21, 2013 July 21, 2013 at 5:37:20 PM UTC link Permalink

> I'd missed the point about an older sister calling *herself* お姉さん.
実はこれ、必ずしも実の姉じゃなくてもいいんです。

http://tatoeba.org/jpn/sentences/show/2609429
メアリーは遊園地で一人で泣いている男の子を見つけて、やさしく声をかけた。「ねえ、ぼく、どうしたの? 迷子になっちゃったの? お姉ちゃんが迷子センターに連れてってあげようか?」

JimBreen JimBreen July 22, 2013 July 22, 2013 at 3:08:39 AM UTC link Permalink

Thanks. That's a point that had eluded me, but I see other cases of お姉さん being used to mean "older girl" where there is no relationship. I'll attempt a translation of your new sentence.

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時に蓮、キミがね。お姉さんが手を取ってあげようか?毎年真っ先にはぐれるのは蓮だもんな。

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ねえ蓮、お姉さんが手をつないであげようか?キミは毎年すぐにはぐれちゃうもんね。

edited by wakatyann630, April 4, 2013