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Sentence #8380986

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arh arh December 13, 2019, edited December 13, 2019 December 13, 2019 at 6:21:25 PM UTC, edited December 13, 2019 at 6:25:50 PM UTC link Permalink

Mi padre tiene 5 hermanos. [?]

「。。。5人 兄弟 。。。」

ManuelML ManuelML December 14, 2019 December 14, 2019 at 10:29:29 AM UTC link Permalink

Es esta estructura en particular se incluye al sujeto en el recuento, como si fuera literalmente "(en la familia de )mi padre son 5 hermanos". Aquí lo explica un nativo:
https://ameblo.jp/english-teach...143959559.html

「3人兄弟」というのは「自分も含めて3人」、
つまり、「2人の兄(または弟)がいる」ということなので、
I have two brothers.
と表現すれば良いんです

arh arh December 14, 2019, edited December 14, 2019 December 14, 2019 at 6:00:40 PM UTC, edited December 14, 2019 at 6:02:39 PM UTC link Permalink

En japonés, como en otras lenguas, hay diferentes formas de construir este tipo de expresiones.
Se pueden emplear fórmulas inclusivas (aquellas en las que el hablante forma parte del cómputo global): “Somos cinco hermanos.” (incluyéndome a mí, somos cinco en total) = 「私は五人兄弟です。」, o también se pueden utilizar fórmulas no inclusivas (aquellas en las que el hablante no se incluye en el cálculo): “Tengo cuatro hermanos.” (además de mí, hay otros cuatro) = 「私は四人兄弟います。」
Es cierto, por otro lado, que en japonés se prefiere el uso de las fórmulas inclusivas. Por esa misma razón, la traducción de la frase japonesa original, de tipo inclusivo en este caso: 「父は5人兄弟です。」, quizá se correspondería mejor en español con una expresión del tipo: “Con mi padre son cinco hermanos.” / “En la familia de mi padre son cinco hermanos.”, que con la construcción utilizada: “Mi padre tiene cuatro hermanos.”

CK CK July 15, 2023 July 15, 2023 at 5:05:49 PM UTC link Permalink

> 父は5人兄弟です。

I suspect that this Japanese should be unlinked.

Seael Seael July 15, 2023 July 15, 2023 at 5:17:10 PM UTC link Permalink

I don't know about the Japanese sentence right now but the English sentences "My father has five siblings." and "My father has five brothers." should clearly be unlinked. The Spanish sentence means that they are 5 siblings/brothers altogether (i.e. including my father)

CK CK July 15, 2023 July 15, 2023 at 6:23:32 PM UTC link Permalink

Then, the Japanese is OK.

CK CK July 15, 2023, edited July 15, 2023 July 15, 2023 at 6:28:27 PM UTC, edited July 15, 2023 at 6:48:24 PM UTC link Permalink

I guess these 2 sentences with "4" which were edited by AlanF_US were OK then. I don't think it's possible to revert these edits since Horus deleted them as sentences were merged.

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marafon marafon July 16, 2023 July 16, 2023 at 1:58:24 PM UTC link Permalink

I'd suggest just unlinking both English sentences.

DJ_Saidez DJ_Saidez July 24, 2023, edited July 24, 2023 July 24, 2023 at 7:59:03 PM UTC, edited July 24, 2023 at 8:00:21 PM UTC link Permalink

Agreed, the English sentences say there are six siblings total.

I added an English sentence that might fit better, if it is natural.

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This sentence was initially added as a translation of sentence #84885父は5人兄弟です。.

Mi padre tiene 4 hermanos.

added by ManuelML, December 13, 2019

license chosen by ManuelML, December 13, 2019

linked by ManuelML, December 13, 2019

Mi padre tiene cuatro hermanos.

edited by ManuelML, December 14, 2019

#8383991

linked by cromwellt, December 15, 2019

#8383992

linked by cromwellt, December 15, 2019

Con mi padre son cinco hermanos.

edited by ManuelML, December 15, 2019

#8383991

unlinked by Horus, July 15, 2023

linked by Horus, July 15, 2023

#8383992

unlinked by Horus, July 15, 2023

linked by Horus, July 15, 2023

unlinked by DJ_Saidez, July 24, 2023

unlinked by DJ_Saidez, July 24, 2023