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This sentence was initially added as a translation of sentence #1068861Hier ist nichts..

ni la ijo ala li lon.

added by Tepan, October 31, 2020

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carlosalberto carlosalberto October 31, 2020 October 31, 2020 at 3:42:10 PM UTC link Permalink

ni la ala li lon / ala li lon ni [?]

Tepan Tepan October 31, 2020 October 31, 2020 at 3:53:49 PM UTC link Permalink

Mi ne sekvas la stilon de Pije, laŭ kiu "ala" estas ankaŭ "nenio". Mi uzas "ijo ala" por "nenio", kiu estas en la oficiala libro de Sonja.

Cetere, la Pije-stila "ala li lon ni" estas jam ligita (malrekte) al tiu ĉi frazo.
https://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/7108932

carlosalberto carlosalberto October 31, 2020 October 31, 2020 at 4:37:49 PM UTC link Permalink

ala 無 (jp), 不(zh) bu2
mod no, not, none, un-
n nothing, negation, zero
interj no!
a ne, neniu
o nenio, neado, nul
kri ne!
Tatoeba corpus
tokipona.net corpus
Forvo pronunciation
current jan Sonja, drafts
describer not, not such; no, not
describer no, zero, no quantity of; no, zero
describer un-, opposite of; un-
noun the state, situation or general phenomenon of being ala; absence, emptiness, negation, nothing, zero
interjection a short, sudden or emotional expression of ala; no!
[?]

Tepan Tepan October 31, 2020, edited October 31, 2020 October 31, 2020 at 4:57:32 PM UTC, edited October 31, 2020 at 4:58:39 PM UTC link Permalink

You're quoting
http://tokipona.net/tp/classicwordlist.aspx
Right?

It's called "classic", you know? ;) I use this copy of Sonja's official book:
http://tokipona.net/tp/janpije/dictionary.php
ala ADJECTIVE no, not, zero

If I used "ala" as "nothing", I would mark this sentence as "Pije". (Pije also documented a "traditional" way of Toki Pona, i.e. pre-2014.)

P.S.: Even though I do flag sentences as correct, even though I mark them as "Pije", I don't add sentences in Pije's style.

carlosalberto carlosalberto October 31, 2020 October 31, 2020 at 5:50:30 PM UTC link Permalink

So there are two Toki Pona styles, and we have to choose one of them! I'm really worried about that. When I write something, I, personally, never know if I am following Sonja or Pije! Big deal! :-)

Tepan Tepan October 31, 2020 October 31, 2020 at 7:25:16 PM UTC link Permalink

There are even more than that, in my opinion, but no ever makes the effort to map them out. Well, almost no one! :) Here's a list of all differences between Sonja's and Pije's style:

https://github.com/stefichjo/to...master/pije.md

So, don't be worried. They are not so different after all.

carlosalberto carlosalberto October 31, 2020 October 31, 2020 at 8:28:40 PM UTC link Permalink

I read your article. I don't think I would always prefer Sonja to Pije, but I'll try to survive. :-)