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gracehero gracehero October 10, 2010 October 10, 2010 at 4:51:05 AM UTC link Permalink

Sentence nº516652 was my translation. But I can't edit it now, why?

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sacredceltic sacredceltic October 10, 2010 October 10, 2010 at 9:36:10 AM UTC link Permalink

Because obviously, this sentence has no owner anymore. It was lost, somehow. You may however adopt it again, I think..

FeuDRenais FeuDRenais October 10, 2010 October 10, 2010 at 1:22:18 AM UTC link Permalink

Wacky idea: Tatoeba Day

For hardcore Tatoeba fans...

Why don't we pick a day of the year (or maybe, even, a date of each month) on which we all try to contribute crazy amounts of sentences? And then we see how high we can set the single-day contribution record to, and then try to pass it on the following Tatoeba Day.

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nickyeow nickyeow October 10, 2010 October 10, 2010 at 3:25:05 AM UTC link Permalink

That sounds like a lot of fun! I'll definitely take part in it (if my schedule allows me to). :-)

But what about the date? The day Tatoeba was started, perhaps?

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FeuDRenais FeuDRenais October 10, 2010 October 10, 2010 at 3:27:45 AM UTC link Permalink

We could probably vote. Or we could just do it several times a year, when there was enough momentum for it.

e.g. "Hey, it's Christmas vacation, let's have a Tatoeba Day!"

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Shishir Shishir October 10, 2010 October 10, 2010 at 3:54:25 PM UTC link Permalink

I definitely like this idea ^^ but IMO if you just have one or two Tatoeba days a year it is not that cool to try to defeat our last marks and all that (we would have probably forgotten how many sentences we added that day :P ), I'd rather have a "Tatoeba day" every month or every two months.
By the way, which day did Tatoeba start? :P

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TRANG TRANG October 13, 2010 October 13, 2010 at 7:47:54 AM UTC link Permalink

> I'd rather have a "Tatoeba day" every month or
> every two months.

I also like the idea of having a Tatoeba day every month :)

Perhaps we can try out... November 13th? (I'm suggesting a date before this idea goes forgotten.)

And the following day I'll publish on the blog more detailed stats of the contributions on Tatoeba day (number of contributions for each language and for each participant).


> By the way, which day did Tatoeba start? :P

- February 9th, 2006 (if you consider it started when I started writing down the idea)
- June 18th, 2006 (if you consider it started when the first few sentences were added)
- August 18th, 2006 (if you consider it started when I first "published" the project)

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FeuDRenais FeuDRenais October 13, 2010 October 13, 2010 at 1:07:51 PM UTC link Permalink

November 13 is perfect for me (I think).

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Pharamp Pharamp October 13, 2010 October 13, 2010 at 2:12:09 PM UTC link Permalink

:)

it's my birthday :)

Pharamp Pharamp October 10, 2010 October 10, 2010 at 4:27:35 PM UTC link Permalink

We could chose the Tatoeba Birthday as the Great Tatoeba Day, and organize a very big event with competitions in different field, such as the Best Logo, the Best Surreal Sentence, the Best Useful Script etc. and then celebrate the anniversary monthly, with what FeuDRenais proposed (a huge number of contributions), and maybe just 1 of the spin-off competitions! :D

I'm excited now!

Anyway, probably I will do a 3-Tatoeba Day in my school in January or February (I hope to do so), so in those days I will ask you to help me... with a lot of contributions ^^

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keklesurvivant keklesurvivant October 11, 2010 October 11, 2010 at 11:40:52 PM UTC link Permalink

If somebody has enough competences to make a new fancy logo, we would be glad to have a look at it anytime :D

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sacredceltic sacredceltic October 11, 2010 October 11, 2010 at 11:47:33 PM UTC link Permalink

Ce serait l'occasion d'enlever le mot "project" de ce logo, qui est la marque du suprémacisme anglophone qui règne et rebute bien des contributeurs...

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Demetrius Demetrius October 12, 2010 October 12, 2010 at 9:08:56 AM UTC link Permalink

+1

IMHO the logo should be translatable too.

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sysko sysko October 12, 2010 October 12, 2010 at 9:47:31 AM UTC link Permalink

the new version is using html5, so the logo will be in xml (and by extension will be "translatable")

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Demetrius Demetrius October 12, 2010 October 12, 2010 at 10:00:07 AM UTC link Permalink

I hope it will be compatible with Opera, will it? :E

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sysko sysko October 12, 2010 October 12, 2010 at 10:01:38 AM UTC link Permalink

don't worry, for browser incompatible, we will generate a png from the xml, I think this kind of problem is well documented :)

keklesurvivant keklesurvivant October 12, 2010 October 12, 2010 at 10:10:15 AM UTC link Permalink

a canvas ? :D is it the one displayed in Dev version ?

keklesurvivant keklesurvivant October 12, 2010 October 12, 2010 at 9:27:19 AM UTC link Permalink

So, any suggestion would be highly welcome :)

keklesurvivant keklesurvivant October 11, 2010 October 11, 2010 at 11:51:30 PM UTC link Permalink

J'avais lu la discussion à ce sujet en parcourant vite fait le wall il y a quelques temps. De mon côté, j'avais prévu de le retirer, mais à discuter, mais ce n'est pas à moi de décider.
Concernant le suprémacisme anglophone, je ne vais pas alimenter le débat.

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sacredceltic sacredceltic October 11, 2010 October 11, 2010 at 11:52:23 PM UTC link Permalink

C'est pas un débat, justement, juste un état de fait...

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keklesurvivant keklesurvivant October 11, 2010 October 11, 2010 at 11:53:01 PM UTC link Permalink

Je ne dirai rien :o)

Pharamp Pharamp October 13, 2010 October 13, 2010 at 2:20:15 PM UTC link Permalink

I didn't mean a competition for a new official logo, but for an alternative (or tribute) logo.
Something like competitions on DeviantART.com, for showing our love for Tatoeba in our field of art (drawing, music, poetry...), not for replacing Tatoeba stuff.

Another little ideas:
- the Best Background Tune for the Tatoeba Video (>music), as many of us plays some nice instruments ^^

FeuDRenais FeuDRenais October 10, 2010 October 10, 2010 at 4:12:38 PM UTC link Permalink

Check the timeline, I guess... Or browse to sentence #1.

FeuDRenais FeuDRenais October 10, 2010 October 10, 2010 at 1:23:06 AM UTC link Permalink

(on a separate note, this is the 666th thread... take that as you will)

FeuDRenais FeuDRenais October 10, 2010 October 10, 2010 at 1:23:31 AM UTC link Permalink

(Satan votes "Yes" on Tatoeba Day ;-)

ludoviko ludoviko October 9, 2010 October 9, 2010 at 6:53:29 PM UTC link Permalink

Bv. konsideri aldoni plurajn ligojn al viaj frazoj, do post la enmeto de la frazo. Se ni ne faras, estiĝas longaj ĉenoj kaj oni ne plu vidas, ke por unu sama frazo estas pluraj tradukoj identaj aŭ tre similaj. Mi ekzemple aldonis kelkajn ligojn ĉe http://tatoeba.org/epo/sentences/show/428174 kaj fine evidentiĝis, ke jam estis tre simila traduko.

Eble vi ne povas jam meti ligojn al viaj frazoj. Tiukaze petu esti "fidinda uzanto", "trusted user".

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sacredceltic sacredceltic October 10, 2010 October 10, 2010 at 1:06:05 AM UTC link Permalink

Sed kuraĝigi tion eble ne estas bona ideo, ĉar sekve, uzantoj estas tentitaj ligi al lingvoj kiujn ili ne superregas...

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ludoviko ludoviko October 10, 2010 October 10, 2010 at 1:01:04 PM UTC link Permalink

Do oni kuraĝigu la uzantojn rezigni pri lingvoj, kiujn ili ne bone regas :-)

Ĵus mi denove trovis duoblaĵon, ĉi-foje en la germana, vidu ĉe http://tatoeba.org/epo/sentences/show/555327 (ambaŭ enmetitaj de cost cetere). Tio aperas, ĉar oni ne vidas la antaŭan tradukon, se mankas sufiĉaj ligoj. Almenaŭ ĉe simplaj frazoj laŭ mi oni enmetu la ligojn.

Cetere: Kelkfoje la ligoj iras tra lingvo (grize montrata), kiun oni ne konas - kaj revenas al lingvoj, kiujn oni jes konas kaj ŝatus ligi. Du eblecoj por enmeti la postan lingvon: a) Oni ligas la nekonatan lingvon por momento, tiam vidas grize la "postan" lingvon, enmetas ĝin - kaj forigas la ligon al la nekonata lingvo. (La sistemestro ne tre entuziasmos pri tio...) b) Oni eltrovas, ke "ligu" fakte ligas al paĝo kun ekzemple "http://tatoeba.org/epo/ links/ add/ 556440/ 83952" kaj enmetas la numeron de la celfrazo kiel lasta nombro.

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sacredceltic sacredceltic October 10, 2010 October 10, 2010 at 1:11:23 PM UTC link Permalink

Ĵus mi denove trovis duoblaĵon, ĉi-foje en la germana, vidu ĉe http://tatoeba.org/epo/sentences/show/555327 (ambaŭ enmetitaj de cost cetere). Tio aperas, ĉar oni ne vidas la antaŭan tradukon, se mankas sufiĉaj ligoj. Almenaŭ ĉe simplaj frazoj laŭ mi oni enmetu la ligojn.

=> duoblaĵoj estas aŭtomate forviŝitaj ĉiutage, do ne gravas...

Tatoeba estas kunlaboro, do, poiome, la frazoj estos ligitaj...aŭ maligitaj...

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ludoviko ludoviko October 10, 2010 October 10, 2010 at 2:50:52 PM UTC link Permalink

La problemo ne estas, ĉu oni forviŝas duoblaĵojn. (Laŭ kiu principo cetere?)

La demando estas, ĉu havas sencon, NE vidi tradukojn, kiuj estas ligitaj per du interaj frazoj kaj kiuj ofte estas tute bone uzeblaj. Tiun nevideblecon oni povas eviti per enmetado de pli da ligoj.

Krome mi ŝatas, ke homoj uzas sian tempon por io senchava - kaj ke ili ne foruzu ĝin por enmeti pliajn tradukojn, kiam tiuj jam ekzistas.

Sed, sacredceltic, kompreneble vi rajtas NE enmeti aldonajn ligojn, neniu problemo.

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sacredceltic sacredceltic October 10, 2010 October 10, 2010 at 3:19:32 PM UTC link Permalink

La "nevidebleco" estas relativa. Ne necesas vidi ĉiujn tradukojn. Tio eĉ ne estas realisma kun centoj da lingvoj...
Se vi volas vidi rektajn tradukojn, alklaki sur la frazo kiun vi volas vidi...

>Laŭ kiu principo cetere?
=> Demandu al sysko en la franca/angla/...ne esperanto...

>Krome mi ŝatas, ke homoj uzas sian tempon por io senchava - kaj ke ili ne foruzu ĝin por enmeti pliajn tradukojn, kiam tiuj jam ekzistas.

=> la regulo estas ĉiam serĉi antaŭ traduki! Kompreneble, duoblajoj estos forviŝitaj...

>Sed, sacredceltic, kompreneble vi rajtas NE enmeti aldonajn ligojn, neniu problemo.

Mi ĉiam aldonas ligojn por FR/EO/DE/EN/ES sole se mi estas 100% certa ke tradukoj kongruas.

Sed multaj uzantoj ne bone komprenas la ligojn kaj ofte tradukas ekde la malbonan frazon...
Do, frazoj devas esti ligita sindeteneme.

ludoviko ludoviko October 10, 2010 October 10, 2010 at 1:02:56 PM UTC link Permalink

kiel lastan nombron.

FeuDRenais FeuDRenais October 9, 2010 October 9, 2010 at 2:32:46 PM UTC link Permalink

@TRANG and/or sysko:

Any idea what happened to this sentence:

http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/489379

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FeuDRenais FeuDRenais October 9, 2010 October 9, 2010 at 2:35:16 PM UTC link Permalink

(did the "boss" delete it?)

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Pharamp Pharamp October 9, 2010 October 9, 2010 at 3:16:04 PM UTC link Permalink

I imagine it was a duplicate.

> bug to report to sysko

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FeuDRenais FeuDRenais October 9, 2010 October 9, 2010 at 3:18:09 PM UTC link Permalink

No... duplicates should be fused, not deleted.

And this one had 10 or so sentences linked to it, all of which have now been split off and separated because they lost the common link.

Demetrius Demetrius October 11, 2010 October 11, 2010 at 9:32:16 AM UTC link Permalink

> (did the "boss" delete it?)
LOL

But yes, these translations are 100% useless and very strange, in the DB on their own :)

FeuDRenais FeuDRenais October 9, 2010 October 9, 2010 at 12:00:25 PM UTC link Permalink

Would it be possible to make the following equivalences in the Tatoeba search?

he's <=> he is
she's <=> she is
it's <=> it is
I'm <=> I am
you're <=> you are
they're <=> they are
we're <=> we are
(among others...)

It's a bit silly that searching for "I'm..." and "I am..." yields different results (or sometimes, no results for one but some for the other).

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CK CK October 9, 2010, edited October 26, 2019 October 9, 2010 at 2:09:02 PM UTC, edited October 26, 2019 at 4:21:12 AM UTC link Permalink

[not needed anymore- removed by CK]

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FeuDRenais FeuDRenais October 9, 2010 October 9, 2010 at 2:19:32 PM UTC link Permalink

Thanks. That's helpful.

Still, for people who aren't masters at the hidden search options, it would be helpful if some things were done automatically.

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CK CK October 9, 2010, edited October 26, 2019 October 9, 2010 at 3:52:35 PM UTC, edited October 26, 2019 at 4:21:04 AM UTC link Permalink

[not needed anymore- removed by CK]

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sacredceltic sacredceltic October 10, 2010 October 10, 2010 at 6:04:14 PM UTC link Permalink

is there a syntax to retrieve a word strictly, ie without parts of that word.
Example: if I want to retrieve only the sentences containing the word "dose", currently it also retrieves the sentences containing the word "dos" and not "dose"...

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CK CK October 10, 2010, edited October 26, 2019 October 10, 2010 at 11:05:25 PM UTC, edited October 26, 2019 at 4:20:53 AM UTC link Permalink

[not needed anymore- removed by CK]

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sacredceltic sacredceltic October 12, 2010 October 12, 2010 at 1:13:47 PM UTC link Permalink

is there a technique to query bits of words?
For exemple, if I want to retrieve all sentences containing a word ending with 'ence', such as "sentence"

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CK CK October 12, 2010, edited October 26, 2019 October 12, 2010 at 2:59:53 PM UTC, edited October 26, 2019 at 4:20:08 AM UTC link Permalink

[not needed anymore- removed by CK]

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sacredceltic sacredceltic October 12, 2010 October 12, 2010 at 3:09:15 PM UTC link Permalink

Well, thank you, but it's hardly interactive...
If this was made possible, many errors could be identified and corrected en masse.

MUIRIEL MUIRIEL October 10, 2010 October 10, 2010 at 7:05:28 PM UTC link Permalink

=dose

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sacredceltic sacredceltic October 10, 2010 October 10, 2010 at 7:10:10 PM UTC link Permalink

Danke sehr!

Leono Leono October 7, 2010 October 7, 2010 at 7:55:50 PM UTC link Permalink

Esperanto estas nun la kvara lingvo ĉe Tatoeba laŭ la nombro da frazoj!

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jakov jakov October 7, 2010 October 7, 2010 at 10:30:40 PM UTC link Permalink

Gratulegon!

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Leono Leono October 8, 2010 October 8, 2010 at 10:11:17 PM UTC link Permalink

Gratulon kaj gratulegon al ĉiuj kunlaborantaj Esperanto-tradukantoj.

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Ignatius881 Ignatius881 October 8, 2010 October 8, 2010 at 10:53:46 PM UTC link Permalink

Ne gratulinde ;)

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jakov jakov October 9, 2010 October 9, 2010 at 12:12:42 AM UTC link Permalink

Ho, mi cxiam ege sxatas kiel tiu bela lingvo flekseblas. Imagu nur samsencan anglan auxgermanan frazon. Ne eblas, cxu? Almenaux cxiu parolanto de la lastmenciitaj lingvoj havas mensan baron kontraux la ekuzo de nenormalaj frazeroj.

sacredceltic sacredceltic October 7, 2010 October 7, 2010 at 9:18:43 PM UTC link Permalink

Gratulon!

Gyuri Gyuri October 8, 2010 October 8, 2010 at 11:03:48 PM UTC link Permalink

Kompatinda la germana.

Namikaze Namikaze October 9, 2010 October 9, 2010 at 2:37:27 AM UTC link Permalink

Vivu Esperanto!

sacredceltic sacredceltic October 8, 2010 October 8, 2010 at 8:55:32 AM UTC link Permalink

(eo) Novan lingvon ĵus estis malkovrita en Barato: La koran (belega nomo!), kun malpli ol 1000 parolantoj. Mi proponas ke ni adopti ĝin!

(fr) Une nouvelle langue vient d'être découverte en Inde: Le Koro (très joli nom !) comptant moins de 1000 locuteurs. Je propose que nous l'adoptions !

(en) A new language has just been discovered in India: Koro (very nice name!) with under 1000 speakers. I suggest we adopt it!

(ge) Eine neue Sprache ist gerade im Indien entdeckt: Koro (sehr schöne Name!) mit unter 1000 Sprecher. Ich schlage vor, daß wir es adoptieren!

http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/...e-en-inde.html

CK CK September 7, 2010, edited October 26, 2019 September 7, 2010 at 5:10:17 AM UTC, edited October 26, 2019 at 4:11:20 AM UTC link Permalink

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Demetrius Demetrius September 7, 2010 September 7, 2010 at 8:52:48 AM UTC link Permalink

Oh, thank you, I believe this can be very helpful to new contributors!

I think I will translate it into Russian (maybe with little adaptations).

TRANG TRANG October 8, 2010 October 8, 2010 at 4:21:07 AM UTC link Permalink

I added a link to your page in the "Help" page ("Important links", second link).

http://tatoeba.org/help

Dejo Dejo October 8, 2010 October 8, 2010 at 3:16:22 AM UTC link Permalink

Welcome to Tatoeba Dameon!

Gyuri Gyuri October 7, 2010 October 7, 2010 at 7:18:04 PM UTC link Permalink

Saluton.
En la profilpaĝo estas necese ĝustigi tradukon.

Kontaktinformo
Privata mesaĝo
Kontakto sigfrido (Kontaktu plus -n)
Aliaj
Vidi la kontribuoj de ĉi uzanto (kontribuojn)

Dankon.