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Could we have an official decision on using -1 in the meaning field to mean 'not for WWWJDIC' ?
*bump*
As I said in my email, I'm okay with it. It all depends on Jim :)
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Every language includes a different set of ambiguities, omitted information and conventions. If you attempt to remove these ambiguities, etc. in the sentences being translated then you are going to create bias in the vocabulary used and will also be likely end up with unnatural sentences.
The typical example for this is pronouns in Japanese. If you start adding あなた to sentences that, when translated, use 'you' in the English then there will far more あなたs used in those examples than you would ever find in natural Japanese.
When I went to the "trusted" index edit page for 97078, I found there were two sets of indices! Is this a result of automerge? I can't think it is valid.
> I found there were two sets of indices!
> Is this a result of automerge?
Probably. It's not the first time that's happened.
> I can't think it is valid.
I'm not sure it would be an easy fix - if you've got two identical sentences with an index each the computer isn't going to know which one is right and which one is spurious. What you should do is delete the index of one of the sentences you make identical in advance - but I obviously didn't remember to do it for that one.
Something is screwy with a batch of indices. For example, Last week there was:
地球は球の形をしている
地球 は 球 乃{の} 形(かたち)[01] を 為る(する){している}
The latest download has it changed to:
地球 は 玉(たま) 乃{の} 形(かたち)[01] を 為る(する){している}
Presumably that 玉(たま) was meant to be 球(たま)?
> Presumably that 玉(たま) was meant to be 球(たま)?
Actually it was meant to be 玉(たま){球}. (If it was supposed to be 球(きゅう) before then, 'Oops.')
As you know, where there are multiple headwords in WWWJDIC only one is used for the indexing so that there is only one [EX] link.
Well, I changed them to 球(たま) and 弾(たま). I'll now go and do a global replace with 玉(たま){球} and 玉(たま){弾}.
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Actually I believe at least some sentences you’ve given don’t have any spelling mistakes. I can’t find any in 2263, 18732, 18867, 20594.
And please leave British forms like ‘decentralised’ intact. I like them. :)
I agree with Demetrius. Some of the 'mistakes' are just british spelling differences. But there are some real mistakes in there, like in 2263 where it should say 'sine and cosine' instead of 'sinus and cosinus'.
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I don't see why not. As long as any corrections are advisory, not automatically made.
personnaly when inputing sentence I use a firefox plugin which acts as a spell checker
Ditto. We can't make that mandatory though, and it doesn't help the ones that have already got through.
Could you get a spell check to make up a list of sentences that are flagged as having spelling mistakes? If you could then it could be split into, say, batches of 500 and handed out to individual users.
One important note - we're again seeing how the 'adoption' system is greatly slowing down attempts to correct sentences on a wide scale. CK's got two or three dozen with '/alternatives' added by a well meaning user *cough*human600*cough* and he can't fix any of them himself.
I think that there's a case for a few users to be granted higher access rights when it's been shown (and agreed) that they know the system here well and would use them responsibly.
> One important note - we're again seeing how the 'adoption' system is greatly slowing down attempts to correct sentences on a wide scale.
You feel it's slowing down because the status of moderator hasn't been established yet. Probably also because you were used to having full access to the corpus. I can understand it somehow frustrates you, not to be able to correct a sentence because it already belongs to someone.
But I cannot imagine Tatoeba without this adoption/ownership system. On a larger scale, it would be a terrible mess if everyone could edit anyone's mistakes. Posting comments makes people come back to Tatoeba, it makes them learn from their mistakes, it makes them responsible of what they contribute. To me, it's a very important part of the collaborative aspect.
Of course, some people rather feel annoyed by it, some people will never come back, and it blocks certain sentences. But the problem doesn't come from adoption/ownership, it comes from the way permissions are set. As you pointed out, we need more people with higher access rights, people who can edit everything, and delete sentences (i.e., we need moderators).
sysko has asked me if we could integrate the 'moderator' status last week. I said no because there were too many things to test already. But we can have that for next week (or perhaps even this week, depending on how productive we are).
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> For one of the admins to do it right now,
> shouldn't take too long.
I estimate 6 hours for the English. Less if they can find a dictionary that includes both American and British spellings.
> personnaly when inputing sentence I use a
> firefox plugin which acts as a spell checker
But not in that sentence, right? ;-)
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Personally, I can live without !! but I'm holding out for the occasional !?
Duplicate removal script
Could this be run soonish? I see that sentences that were duplicates 9 days ago haven't been merged yet.
I've seen that the index data log is working better now - recent changes are showing up in the right order with the actual time changed.
Could deletions be noted in the log as well?
Yes, it is planned, but not for soon... I can't guarantee it will be done before another two months.
sentences.csv
I'm looking through this file output now. There are a number of spurious '\' symbols and line feeds in it. Possibly there are odd characters in the sentence text?
The suspect sentences are 208 and 5540. One of them is owned so I couldn't try editing it.
I looked at just one as a test ...
> 288755 He is delighted at your success. 彼女はあなたの成功を喜んでいます。
As I suspected this was not present in the last version of the Tanaka Corpus _I_ was maintaining. It was either corrected or deleted as a near duplicate. I shudder to think of how many corrections may have been 'lost' in this way. >_<
Hmm, I'm not sure what you mean... I don't think there has been anything lost in Tatoeba.
For the sentence you indicated, it does not mismatch in Tatoeba.
He is delighted at your success.
彼はあなたの成功を喜んでいます。
(cf. http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/288755)
And I checked randomly other lines from CK's file. All those I tried turned out to be safe in Tatoeba, they do match.
Well if it's not my stuff, and it's not your stuff then it must be CK's stuff where the problem is.
That's fine with me. :-P
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I just opened that file and it has the line
A: 彼はあなたの成功を喜んでいます。 He is delighted at your success.#ID=288755
B: 彼(かれ) は 貴方(あなた)[01]{あなた} 乃{の} 成功 を 喜ぶ{喜んでいます}
I forgot to do a download at the weekend. Downloading now....