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AlanF_US AlanF_US October 19, 2019 October 19, 2019 at 5:00:46 PM UTC link Permalink

Currently, we have an informal (and, as far as I can tell, undocumented) guideline that corpus maintainers should wait two weeks after a sentence is flagged for correction before modifying, deleting, or unlinking it. The goal of this "grace period" is to give sentence owners the first chance to address the criticism in the way that they prefer. Clearly, we don't want a grace period that is too short (since owners won't have time to respond). On the other hand, too long a grace period makes it hard for corpus maintainers to clean up sentences. One thing that makes the cleanup task especially difficult is that when you're looking at a list of sentences with, say, the "@change" tag, it is impossible to see the dates not only when the tags were left, but when the last comment (if any) was left on the sentence. Changing this would require changing the user interface, so it would take some time and discussion.

For now, I'd like to focus on the length of the grace period. Would people mind if it were shortened to, say one week? Or three days? To put it another way, how long does it generally take for you to get the opportunity to respond to feedback on a sentence? And if someone modifies the sentence after the grace period, but before you get a chance to do it yourself, does it generally bother you, or do you usually appreciate it (or have no opinion)?

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Thanuir Thanuir October 19, 2019 October 19, 2019 at 5:52:15 PM UTC link Permalink

Minun puolestani minun lauseitani sa muokata kysymättä ja ilmoittamatta. Toki, jos olen tehnyt tietyn virheen useaan kertaan, arvostan tietoa siitä, jotta voin oppia välttämään kyseistä virhettä tulevaisuudessa.

Muiden lauseiden ollessa kyseessä jotkut muokkaavat niitä muutaman päivän kuluessa, toiset eivät ikinä. Suomenkielisiä lauseita kirjoittaa niin harva, että nimet oppii tuntemaan. Jos käyttäjä ei vastaa koskaan kommentteihin, vaikuttaa typerältä odottaa pari viikkoa jokaisen lauseen kohdalla erikseen. Tämä ei päde jos käyttäjää ei tunne, tai jos on epävarma siitä, että onko lause oikein vai ei.


I do not mind others editing my sentences. No notice or forewarning necessary.

If a user never responds to comments, it does not seem to be useful to wait for two weeks with every sentence.

CK CK October 20, 2019, edited November 6, 2019 October 20, 2019 at 12:38:42 AM UTC, edited November 6, 2019 at 7:50:22 AM UTC link Permalink

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AlanF_US AlanF_US October 20, 2019 October 20, 2019 at 2:05:09 AM UTC link Permalink

Thanks for the links. (I see that the first and third are not linked to the wiki home page.) I still wonder whether people think two weeks is the right period to wait for a response to feedback, or a shorter period would be acceptable.

Aiji Aiji October 20, 2019 October 20, 2019 at 12:45:08 PM UTC link Permalink

The last time we had that discussion with TRANG, I think she clearly mentioned that the "grace" period was a flexible thing that corpus maintainers may adapt if they see it fit.

For example, my personal grace period for inactive users (that you can guess from their profile activity, or by habit) is 0 seconds. For active users, I respect the two weeks period.

From my personal opinion, I think two weeks is one of the best choice. For example, if I'm busy at work during the week, and I have something planned in the weekend, I cannot open Tatoeba for ten days or so. But two weeks mean two weekends so I would probably have time to read my Tatoebian emails. One week would leave me too little.

PaulP PaulP October 21, 2019 October 21, 2019 at 4:12:35 PM UTC link Permalink

> when you're looking at a list of sentences with, say, the "@change" tag, it is impossible to see the dates not only when the tags were left, but when the last comment (if any) was left on the sentence.

I see no problem. I make the list as follows:

And I start correcting them one by one until I reach a sentence where the last comment is left less than 14 days ago.

Gulo_Luscus Gulo_Luscus October 21, 2019 October 21, 2019 at 7:01:35 PM UTC link Permalink

Since I became a Corpus Maintainer in 2013, I have left hundreds of comments on Turkish members' sentences to show the mistakes. And many of them came here after months (sometimes years) of inactivity and corrected their sentences. That is why I strictly respect the 2-week grace period. However, there were some Turkish members who let me change their sentences without waiting for 2 weeks in case they were not around.

I do believe that the minimum 10-day waiting is required as long as the user's account is not inactivated or deleted.

Finally, I literally would not be bothered if someone else modified my sentence after the minimum 10-day grace period.

shekitten shekitten October 22, 2019 October 22, 2019 at 8:39:31 AM UTC link Permalink

I'm OK with the grace period being the way it is. 2 weeks is enough to acknowledge that not everyone can always be at Tatoeba, and also to give mostly-inactive users a chance to notice they have a comment needing their attention.

soliloquist soliloquist October 22, 2019, edited October 22, 2019 October 22, 2019 at 2:08:38 PM UTC, edited October 22, 2019 at 3:42:28 PM UTC link Permalink

I'm not a CM, but here's my opinion.

1- If an incorrect sentence belonged to an active and communicative user, I would just write a comment without tagging.

2- If the owner weren't active, or they didn't respond to comments despite adding new sentences, I would also tag their sentences and wait for two weeks to correct them.

3- After repeating the second step several times, I would send them a PM asking to check the comments left on their sentences. If they didn't answer it either, then I would start correcting their sentences without waiting.

4- If they returned after a long time of inactivity, I would return to step 1.

5- If I become inactive for more than a few months, CMs can correct my sentences without commenting or tagging.

AlanF_US AlanF_US October 26, 2019 October 26, 2019 at 5:50:03 PM UTC link Permalink

Thanks, everyone, for your feedback.