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Sentence #3891585

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glancioni glancioni February 13, 2018 February 13, 2018 at 12:00:39 AM UTC link Permalink

What is 'bazisai'? I can find it nowhere in Lojban dictionaries.

gleki gleki February 13, 2018 February 13, 2018 at 5:17:40 AM UTC link Permalink

https://la-lojban.github.io/sut...#sisku/bazisai

uu uu January 26, 2022 January 26, 2022 at 11:06:45 PM UTC link Permalink

I think "le fetsi" is an exceptionally terrible way to say "she", and I hope it will never catch on. I'm sad that it is propagated here.

gleki gleki January 27, 2022 January 27, 2022 at 11:12:06 AM UTC link Permalink

what's your proposal

uu uu January 27, 2022 January 27, 2022 at 11:39:02 AM UTC link Permalink

{ti}, {ta}, {ko'a} or nothing. While there *may* be contexts where {le fetsi} is useful (like, a female x has been identified *as female* before), pe'i it shouldn't be propagated as a kind of default translation of {she}. English "she" does indicate gender by grammatical necessity, but it isn’t normally *about* gender, if you take my meaning. So your Lojban sentence is of course correct (I know you as a very competent and prolific lojbanist), but it just bugs me that people might take it the wrong way and emulate gendered pronouns in Lojban. (Considering that some of your teaching material exposes them to the same kind of usage.) Sry, I do feel strongly about this. I think you're doing a wonderful job for the language. io

nonong nonong January 27, 2022, edited January 27, 2022 January 27, 2022 at 12:15:10 PM UTC, edited January 27, 2022 at 1:03:08 PM UTC link Permalink

In jbovlaste, somebody could propose gendered pro-sumti cmavo. I'm not sure, though, if such would go against Lojbanic philosophy, in general. (Lojban is an extensible language, not only in vocabulary, but also syntactically.) In my native language of Tagalog, we don't use gendered pronouns, but show gender in nouns and modifiers, such as "doktor/doktora" and "guwapo/guwapa" from borrowing from Spanish. Native words are ungendered mostly, such as "pamangkin" (nephew/niece), etc.

gleki gleki January 27, 2022 January 27, 2022 at 2:36:27 PM UTC link Permalink

The point of the translation was being precise but concise.... unreachable goal of course.

ko'a would make this sentence identical to its clone with "he". There is no ideal solution especially because sentences in Tatoeba mostly lack context.

nonong nonong January 27, 2022 January 27, 2022 at 3:02:47 PM UTC link Permalink

In jbovlaste, somebody could propose cmavo for indicating gender, not necessarily pro-sumti. Lojban is extensible.

Another thing that seems still not in Lojban is age-differential cmavo: young vs. old. In my Tagalog, "ho" and "po" are age-differential indicators, but diluted with respect attitude. I think that age and respect can be separated. Again, Lojban is extensible.

nonong nonong January 28, 2022 January 28, 2022 at 11:38:56 AM UTC link Permalink

I am thinking that masculine-feminine could be attitude-marked, as a possibility in Lojban. Incidentally, some animals, like some insects, have more than two genders. Amongst humans, some are naturally born as hermaphrodites.

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This sentence was initially added as a translation of sentence #2804023Она вот-вот вернётся..

le fetsi bazisai volve

added by gleki, February 24, 2015

linked by gleki, February 24, 2015

linked by Spheniscine, May 27, 2015

le fetsi bazisai volta

edited by gleki, June 20, 2016

le ninmu bazisai di'a zvati

edited by gleki, December 18, 2022