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Sentence #4599431

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Tepan Tepan February 26, 2021 February 26, 2021 at 4:56:22 PM UTC link Permalink

ijo seme -> seme

Tepan Tepan March 18, 2022 March 18, 2022 at 10:23:10 AM UTC link Permalink

I'd still suggest:

ijo seme -> seme

carlosalberto carlosalberto March 18, 2022 March 18, 2022 at 11:03:30 AM UTC link Permalink

I can read "mi seme?" as "I?", or "Me?", or "I, what?"...
I know that because Toki Pona does not have the verb "to be", I can also read "mi seme?" as "What am I?", but "mi ijo seme?" would not be ambiguous, know what I mean?

carlosalberto carlosalberto March 18, 2022 March 18, 2022 at 11:17:40 AM UTC link Permalink

sina lukin e jan seme? / sina lukin e soweli seme? / sina lukin e waso seme? / sina lukin e pipi seme?

Why not: sina lukin e ijo seme? (?)

Tepan Tepan March 18, 2022 March 18, 2022 at 11:17:48 AM UTC link Permalink

Not sure I understand. I agree that "mi seme?" is ambiguous (it could mean "what am I doing?"), but I can't read "me, what?" out of it without putting a comma between "mi" and "seme". But I would find it more idiomatic to use "anu" instead: "mi anu seme?"

I also don't see how "ijo seme" is of help. If you use "ijo seme" for "what thing" (again, this would usually be simply "seme"), you still could misread "mi ijo seme?" as "mi, ijo seme?"/"mi anu ijo seme?"

I'm sorry if I'm missing a point here.

Tepan Tepan March 18, 2022 March 18, 2022 at 11:22:12 AM UTC link Permalink

> Why not: sina lukin e ijo seme? (?)

As I see it, "ijo" is omitted when combined with "seme", "ni" or "ale".

ijo seme -> seme
ijo ni -> ni
ijo ale -> ale

(In Pu, "ijo ala" remains "ijo ala", whereas others use "ala" also for "ijo ala".)

In Pu, we can see "pi ijo ale", though. So apparently, the omission of "ijo" doesn't occur in combination with "pi".

So, I can't say "why", but just "how" it is "seme" instead of "ijo seme".

carlosalberto carlosalberto March 18, 2022 March 18, 2022 at 11:45:05 AM UTC link Permalink

This looks like Quantum Physics. You don't have to understand why, you have to accept it as it is.

Tepan Tepan March 18, 2022 March 18, 2022 at 12:34:42 PM UTC link Permalink

Partially yes, it is as it is, because Pu doesn't go too much into details and leaves much to infer to the reader, in my opinion.

But since "seme" means "what" and "ijo seme" wouldn't remove ambiguity, "mi seme?" should still remain the best option, I thought.

carlosalberto carlosalberto March 18, 2022, edited March 18, 2022 March 18, 2022 at 12:41:00 PM UTC, edited March 18, 2022 at 1:44:13 PM UTC link Permalink

Who am I? ➜ mi jan seme?
What am I? ➜ mi seme?
I give up.

Tepan Tepan March 18, 2022 March 18, 2022 at 12:43:20 PM UTC link Permalink

Don't! :(

carlosalberto carlosalberto March 18, 2022 March 18, 2022 at 1:45:35 PM UTC link Permalink

I didn't. Finally, I accept it. :-)

Tepan Tepan March 18, 2022 March 18, 2022 at 1:54:49 PM UTC link Permalink

pona a! mi ken ala ken pana sin e linja nimi tawa sina? (sina ken kama jo sin e ona.)

carlosalberto carlosalberto March 18, 2022 March 18, 2022 at 3:01:41 PM UTC link Permalink

I would appreciate that.

carlosalberto carlosalberto March 18, 2022 March 18, 2022 at 3:03:09 PM UTC link Permalink

Thank you.

Tepan Tepan March 18, 2022 March 18, 2022 at 3:03:24 PM UTC link Permalink

Can you click on the empty user above? This should make you the owner again.

Tepan Tepan March 18, 2022 March 18, 2022 at 3:03:55 PM UTC link Permalink

Ah, it worked, great!

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This sentence was initially added as a translation of sentence #4597874What am I?.

mi seme?

added by carlosalberto, October 11, 2015

linked by carlosalberto, October 11, 2015

mi ijo seme?

edited by carlosalberto, February 8, 2016

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mi seme?

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mi seme?

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