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Pharamp Pharamp January 16, 2011 January 16, 2011 at 6:13:53 PM UTC link Permalink

"Verk" is the accusative or the dative of verkur?

Pharamp Pharamp January 16, 2011 January 16, 2011 at 6:17:51 PM UTC link Permalink

Well. My problem is that I don't understand if vera með is + accusative or + dative XD
In a (free) textbook I found "Stína er með löngu nefi.", here nefi is a dative, right?
I saw many vera með + accusative in Tatoeba, but obviously I trust more you than my textbook. But is its sentence good too?

Swift Swift January 17, 2011 January 17, 2011 at 2:45:26 AM UTC link Permalink

Usually, "vera með" takes accusative when it refers to a thing you have. But you can also use "vera með" to mean "be with", as in: Pharamp er með Trang (niðri í bæ); where it takes the dative.

I don't recall ever hearing the form your textbook uses. It could be an archaic form, but I can't tell for sure. I'll see if I can find out. Is that an on line textbook?

Pharamp Pharamp January 17, 2011 January 17, 2011 at 2:15:20 PM UTC link Permalink

Oh great! I studied it this morning.
My textbook is this one
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Referen.../dp/1897999461
It's a quite bad and ugly book, unfortunately full of errors. But it was the only Icelandic grammar in the library of my city (and that's a very big library!), so I took it anyway. I'm studying mainly online :/ with IcelandicOnline, its dictionary and Tatoeba...

Pharamp Pharamp January 17, 2011 January 17, 2011 at 5:21:21 PM UTC link Permalink

Ah, I think I've found this sentence in another textbook.
This one: www.giuristipernaso.it/KENNSLUB.pdf
It's an Italian-based grammar :)

Anyway, "Stína er með löngu nefi." should be... nef... but I don't find the accusative for langur :/ How is the correct sentence?

Swift Swift January 18, 2011 January 18, 2011 at 2:32:02 AM UTC link Permalink

That book looks suspicious. The author, George Carcas, has similar grammar guides for a number of languages; Slovenian, Ukrainian, Belorussian, Slovakian, Macedonian, Afrikaans and Icelandic. The absence of books on other Nordic languages along with the strange grammar (and seeing how you say it has many errors) makes me skeptical that the author is sufficiently proficient in Icelandic to write a book on the language.

I had a quick look at the PDF textbook you found. I'm not sure about that one either. The author has a very good command of the Icelandic language, but still makes few mistakes in the free-flowing text. That doesn't, however, imply that there are inaccuracies in the lessons.

One quick note on the setup of that book: In Icelandic, it's customary to list the tenses in the order: nominative, accusative, dative and genitive (nefnifall, þolfall, þágufall og eignarfall). A minor issue, but just so that you know, because when asking Icelanders, they will always reply with the word forms in that order.

As I'm about to do:

The adjective is "löng" in the feminine singular (considered the "base" form for adjectives). The declination is:

karlkyn: langur, langan, löngum, langs
kvenkyn: löng, langa, langri, langrar
hvorukyn: langt, langt, löngu, langs

The word "nef" is neuter so we pick the neuter, accusative form: "langt", making the sentence:

"Stína er með langt nef."

Hope that helped.

Pharamp Pharamp January 18, 2011 January 18, 2011 at 9:33:24 AM UTC link Permalink

Yes! It helped incredibly.
For the tense order, even if it's totally inaccurate, I imagine the author used the same order as Latin (that more or less everyone here in Italy studies): nominative, genitive, dative, accusative, (vocative) and (ablative) (Wiktionary is wrong about that :P).

If you know a good method to export from a .csv file only one side of all cards (so you don't get annoyed by my Italian), I can show you my deck (it's only ~500 sentences) ^^ only if you have time! Takk!

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This sentence was initially added as a translation of sentence #1712I have a headache..

Ég er með höfuðverk.

added by Swift, August 20, 2010

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Ég er með höfuðverk.

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