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Aiji Aiji 3 hours ago January 20, 2020 at 2:22 AM link permalink

** Introducing Tatoeba playground **

I was thinking, for a while, of sharing all the scripts I use to play with Tatoeba data. My goal was to provide clear tools out of the box, customizable, and that do not require any programming knowledge. And it's finally done, available online. All my thanks to Alan and Ricardo for their help and precious feedback.

So what is the playground? It is a collection of notebooks providing fully customizable functions to do pretty much anything you want. For now, the following are available out of the box, and more should come later if people are interested:

- All sentences. Filtered by language. All sentences containing a word.
- Sentences owned by a user. Sentences owned by other than specific users.
- Corpus analysis: word counts (beta version. Incorrect for most languages)
- Sentences that do not have final punctuation. Sentences that do not start with a capital letter
- Audio contributions (sentences with / without audio)
- Languages of a user. List of speakers of a language. List of natives of a language. List of natives of X speaking Y


It does not require any installation, as it is available online, here: https://mybinder.org/v2/gh/agro...yground/master
When you click on that link, the technology provided by binder (https://mybinder.org ) will build the playground environment for you. It may take a while but when it's done, you can access the playground in a closed and safe environment.
For more information on how all that works, you can check the README available on this github repository: https://github.com/agrodet/Tatoeba-playground

Some functions are useful for corpus maintenance, some are there just for fun. I'll let you judge :)

If you have any question, feel free to ask here or directly on the github repository: https://github.com/agrodet/Tatoeba-playground. Notice that it has nothing to do with the Tatoeba development repository.

PS: I'm aware it might be difficult to use for non-English speakers.

TRANG TRANG 15 days ago January 4, 2020 at 10:00 PM link permalink

**Testing needed**

If you have some time, please go to our dev website and test anything you can :)
https://dev.tatoeba.org/

1) The "Translate" feature has been implemented in the new sentence design. To test it, you will need to enable the option "Display sentences with the new design..." in your settings.

More details: https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2/pull/2058

2) We will need testing on any feature that involves a creation date. For instance adding a comment or creating a list. Just to make sure nothing is broken.

More details: https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2/pull/2052

If you find any issue, you can report them by replying to this thread.

Thank you!

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Guybrush88 Guybrush88 15 days ago, edited 15 days ago January 4, 2020 at 11:39 PM, edited January 4, 2020 at 11:40 PM link permalink

I made some tests to check both features and they work for me. The one involving creation dates works also with the Arab UI (the one that triggered the original issue).

I also have a suggestion about the "Translate" feature: currently, it's possible only to edit the new translation and to open the related sentence's page. My suggestion is to add also the button to copy the translation into the clipboard (when activated from the user's settings), since this would greatly improve (at least for me) from a mobile device the possibility to add multiple translations to a single sentence.

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TRANG TRANG 14 days ago January 5, 2020 at 5:29 PM link permalink

Thanks for testing, Guybrush.

The copy feature will come later. It's not a default feature (it has to be activated in the "beta" options in the settings), so it will be one of the last things to be migrated to the new sentence design.

TRANG TRANG 13 hours ago January 19, 2020 at 4:31 PM link permalink

We're continuing to migrate towards the new sentence design. This time with the edit and delete features.

Mode details: https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2/pull/2077

If you have a moment, please test it on the dev website: https://dev.tatoeba.org/

Thank you!

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bill bill 11 hours ago January 19, 2020 at 6:18 PM link permalink

Check this out, Trang: https://giant.gfycat.com/Spotle...tedHackee.webm
Every time I click save, nothing happens.

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CK CK 6 hours ago January 19, 2020 at 11:36 PM link permalink

I got the same results as bill.
Changing the flag to "language unknown" made the edit work, though.

maaster maaster 10 hours ago January 19, 2020 at 7:31 PM link permalink

Amég mü eze hazajárulást ítunk kábé egy vík alatt, addig a felzárkózó folk öteze szentenszt, A mink előtt járó hándrídhuszat. Lehet kalikulálni, vát fog pászíren. (Diekt ítam esztet lefóditatatlanul.)

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Pandaa Pandaa 10 hours ago January 19, 2020 at 7:35 PM link permalink

Egészségedre!

deniko deniko 19 days ago December 31, 2019 at 4:48 PM link permalink

Tatoeba has been very slow the last few days. Also I've been getting "Tatoeba is currently unavailable" message every now and then.

Is it only me?

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fjay69 fjay69 19 days ago December 31, 2019 at 5:12 PM link permalink

I face this problem too.

AlanF_US AlanF_US 19 days ago December 31, 2019 at 5:20 PM link permalink

I see it, too.

Pfirsichbaeumchen Pfirsichbaeumchen 19 days ago December 31, 2019 at 5:41 PM link permalink

J’ai le même problème.

Ergulis Ergulis 19 days ago December 31, 2019 at 5:49 PM link permalink

I have the same issue.

Elsofie Elsofie 19 days ago January 1, 2020 at 1:09 AM link permalink

I have this problem also the last two days.

ZiriSut ZiriSut 18 days ago January 1, 2020 at 10:24 AM link permalink

Me too, I get the same message these days.

K_hina K_hina 18 days ago January 1, 2020 at 11:56 AM link permalink

I have the same issue too.

marioo marioo 18 days ago January 1, 2020 at 3:52 PM link permalink

Similar here. In addition (and maybe it can provide a clue) when I try to access Tatoeba from Mexico (thanks to VPN) the DNS don't resolve... no access at all. Could there be an issue with the DNS server at the web hosting site?

gillux gillux 18 days ago January 1, 2020 at 3:58 PM link permalink

Tatoeba is facing a DDoS attack. If you’re curious what a DDoS attack is, have a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D...service_attack

We are working on it, but there is little we can do about it without blocking legitimate users. We’ll keep you updated.

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Ergulis Ergulis 18 days ago, edited 18 days ago January 1, 2020 at 4:32 PM, edited January 1, 2020 at 7:21 PM link permalink

Thanks you very much for informing us. I hope that everything is sorted out soon.

Isn't the DDoS attack a kind of cybercrime?

I fail to understand to whose benefit something like that is, except for satisfying someone's weak mind.

dcsan dcsan 18 days ago January 1, 2020 at 5:03 PM link permalink

perhaps someone else was the target and tatoeba just got caught because they had the wrong IP number... like getting shot in the wrong neighborhood.

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deniko deniko 17 days ago January 2, 2020 at 9:19 AM link permalink

Yeah, that's possible, other reasons that come off the top of my head could be the following:

* They're targeting the hosting provider, not tatoeba per se, so they're attacking some of their web sites

* Someone is holding a grudge against Tatoeba.

* Before attacking the real target, it might make sense for the attackers to use some random guinea pigs to test their scripts.

gillux gillux yesterday January 19, 2020 at 4:53 AM link permalink

The attack looks finished now. So here is a follow-up.

It was an attack on the application level, sending a lot of forged http requests. The contents of the requests looked like randomly built from a set of real data: a combination of URLs, referers and cookies that looked valid individually, but did not make any sense put together. So after analyzing the traffic, I set up some countermeasures and the attack was contained, so you probably didn’t notice that it lasted for about two weeks. It peaked at 30-40 requests per seconds (or 1500 packets per second), which is rather moderate for a ddos, but apparently enough to partially disturb our service. Interestingly, dev.tatoeba.org and wiki.tatoeba.org were also targeted, but at an unnoticeable rate.

Note that it looks like the countermeasures partially blocked a few legitimate users connecting from China. Sorry about that! It should be okay now.

The meaning of this attack is still unclear. It happened at a time when most western people are on vacation. It was very limited in scale and not so hard to dodge. Also, the zombies were all located in China (which doesn’t necessarily mean the attacker is from China nor operating from China). It is worth noting that Tatoeba is not blocked by the GFW according to greatfire.org. Which makes me think that maybe…

* the attacker wants us to block all users from China
* the attacker wants us to think that the attack is related to China whereas it has nothing to do with it
* the attacker has limited resources (not competent, not rich, not state-sponsored)
* we are part of a bigger attack in which we are not the main target
* the attacker is testing our ability to respond to a ddos attack
* the attacker is just holding a grudge against us

Ricardo14 Ricardo14 yesterday January 18, 2020 at 2:27 PM link permalink

My dear Turkish friends (or people who speak Turkish),

There's a inactive account which you can adopt and correct sentences if needed

» https://tatoeba.org/eng/activit...ences_of/duran

Teşekkür!

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soliloquist soliloquist yesterday January 18, 2020 at 7:19 PM link permalink

Obrigado pelo seu interesse.

We are aware of the issue. I collected the sentences by that account in a proofreading list. A considerable amount of them need improving.

https://tatoeba.org/eng/sentenc.../show/9444/eng

With an average of 100 sentences per day, it will take 12 years to finish proofreading. Slowly but surely, I hope. :-)

This is my personal list, and I'm proofreading from recent to oldest, but there's also another collaborative, hidden list with reverse order. Other Turkish ACs and CMs are dealing with it.

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Ricardo14 Ricardo14 yesterday January 19, 2020 at 12:07 AM link permalink

Bunu bildiğim için çok mutluyum. :)

lovermann lovermann yesterday January 18, 2020 at 3:52 PM link permalink

What about adding mingrelian language? There're a lot of sentences in mingrelian with just "?" flag. Iso-code is XMF. I guess, we can add it to tatoeba.

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Thanuir Thanuir yesterday January 18, 2020 at 6:11 PM link permalink

Wikisivu, joka koskee kielipyyntöjä: https://en.wiki.tatoeba.org/art...nguage-request

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lovermann lovermann yesterday January 18, 2020 at 9:11 PM link permalink

Kiitos!

alexmarcelo alexmarcelo 3 days ago January 16, 2020 at 12:04 PM link permalink

This is a minor detail, but the Latin flag should be displaced one pixel up. It looks cropped. There must have been a problem when the flag was changed (I was the designer and the flag was fine when it was sent).

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TRANG TRANG 3 days ago January 16, 2020 at 10:41 PM link permalink

Could you check this with Ricardo14 and sabretou? It does indeed look a bit cropped.

Ricardo14 Ricardo14 yesterday January 18, 2020 at 1:00 PM link permalink

Working on it :)

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alexmarcelo alexmarcelo yesterday January 18, 2020 at 8:20 PM link permalink

Obrigado. Eu lhe enviei um e-mail com a bandeira original.

CK CK yesterday January 18, 2020 at 9:56 AM link permalink

** Stats - 2020-01-18 - Native Speaker Sentence Counts **

http://tatoeba.ueuo.com/stats-200118.html

Ricardo14 Ricardo14 2 days ago January 17, 2020 at 8:54 PM link permalink

Am I mistaken or there are 3 different shades of green on https://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/add ?

http://prntscr.com/qp8tpy

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CK CK 2 days ago January 18, 2020 at 2:55 AM link permalink

There are 68 unique color names in this external stylesheet.
https://tatoeba.org/cache_css/layout.css
Note that #fff, #ffffff and white are actually the same color. There are a few other duplicates, too.

#000
#00aa00
#00b712
#03a9f4
#4caf50
#06a
#9e9e9e
#42b0ff
#64c8e6
#98cb4a
#222
#444
#555
#607d8b
#649b3d
#666
#777
#999
#111111
#222222
#414141
#666666
#757575
#777777
#998778
#999999
#a1a1a1
#aaa
#aaaaaa
#b0bec5
#bbb
#bdbdbd
#cc2828
#ccc
#cccccc
#d32f2f
#d1523c
#d50000
#dd8800
#dddddd
#e0e0e0
#eaf2e6
#ee0000
#eeeeee
#f1f1f1
#f5f5f5
#f6f6f6
#f7d6b2
#f7f7f7
#f44336
#fafafa
#fb6b10
#ff9800
#ff9900
#ffcc00
#ffd800
#ffddd6
#ffeb3b
#fff
#fff1dd
#ffff8d
#ffffff
black
gray
orange
red
rgba(0,0,0,.12)
white

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CK CK 2 days ago January 18, 2020 at 4:15 AM link permalink

Here is a web page showing the actual colors.
http://tatoeba.ueuo.com/tatoeba...020-01-18.html

AmarMecheri AmarMecheri 6 days ago January 13, 2020 at 7:29 PM link permalink

Happy New Year to all
(including those who are ill)

Some corpus-maintainers seem to have NO HEART ... to continue to make me work horizontally when they know or forget that I have been recovering since my accident of December 9, 2019! So, I'm still in corset and horizontal and the characters are lowercase on the smartphone.

Décidément, certains corpus-maintainers semblentn'avoir pas de CŒUR à me faire travailler à l'horizontale alors qu'ils savent ou oublient que je suis en convalescence depuis mon accident du 9 décembre 2019! Ainsi, je suis toujours sous corset et à l'horizontale et j=les caractères sont minuscules sur le smartphone.

NB: Long live to @AlanF_US and @Aiji, for example!

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AlanF_US AlanF_US 6 days ago January 13, 2020 at 10:20 PM link permalink

I believe there's a bit of humor in your post, since everyone I know has told you that your first responsibility is to get better. If anyone is forcing you to work, it's the corpus maintainers in your head. :) Get better soon!

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AmarMecheri AmarMecheri 6 days ago January 14, 2020 at 1:58 AM link permalink

@AlanF_US.
Of course, it's humor or it sounds like Kabyle humor that you heard during the long walks of Ḥiṛak. You are one of us and I wish you the best, to you, your family and everyone around you the best. You know it's late here in Algeria: I'm going to take a pain reliever to sleep, if not a sleeping pill. Too bad if I am deprived of a glass of mulled wine. Happy new year 2020 and a good day for you.

Bien sûr, c'est de l'humour ou cela ressemble à de l'humour kabyle que vous avez entendu lors des longues marches du Ḥiṛak. Vous êtes des nôtres et je vous souhaite le meilleur à vous, votre famille et tous votre entourage. Vous savez qu'il est tard chez nous: je vais prendre un antidouleurs pour dormir, sinon un somnifère. Tant pis si je suis privé d'un verre de vin chaud. Bonne année 2020 et bonne journée pour vous.

Aiji Aiji 6 days ago January 14, 2020 at 12:54 AM link permalink

Happy New Year, and I wish you a good health!
Corpus maintainers are patient people, they can wait for you to get better :)

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AmarMecheri AmarMecheri 3 days ago January 16, 2020 at 9:00 PM link permalink

@Aiji
Thank you for your wishes for a good recovery. You have certainly understood that I had written a somewhat limited comment, as a spade, just to tease a little. The lying position is not conducive to intelligent humor.

Je vous remercie pour vos souhaits de bon rétablissement .
Vous avez certainement compris que j'avais écrit un commentaire un peu foireux, en guise de pique, juste pour taquiner un peu. La position allongée n'est pas propice pour un humour intelligent.

fominkirill973 fominkirill973 5 days ago January 14, 2020 at 12:45 PM link permalink

Thanks
U too

Ricardo14 Ricardo14 3 days ago January 16, 2020 at 9:36 AM link permalink

Happy New Year and I do hope you get better soon!

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AmarMecheri AmarMecheri 3 days ago January 16, 2020 at 9:05 PM link permalink

Thank you,
dear @Ricardo14
I hope all the best to you
for this New Year 2020 / 2970.

I am recovering quite quickly since I walk a little, carefully.
Tatoeba waits for me.: the Kabyle show must go on.