Pierre, we're glad you find Tatoeba useful. You are a member of the project, too, so thanks for your contributions as well.

It sounds to me like you are interested in a workflow where you (a) are continuously measuring your progress against the number of sentences in a particular set and (b) want to step through each member of the set. In my experience, this doesn't work well unless the set meets all or most of the criteria:

(1) it's small (so you can go through it in a reasonable period of time)
(2) its content is highly relevant to what you want to learn, meaning that it spans what you want it to span, but excludes what you don't want
(3) it's effectively closed (rather than being continually expanded)
(4) its quality is consistently excellent

Most sets of sentences that you will encounter here (for instance, sentences in English that are not translated into French) will not fit all of those criteria. So you could easily get stuck stepping through an awkward series of sentences that only have minor differences from each other, when you could be translating a group of sentences that is more diverse and has more value for you and the rest of the community.

Hi Iriep, we thank you for being part of this project :)

> do you think that it could be added some percentages on Tatoeba website.

We could, but we would need to think carefully about it.

> 1. {percentage} of {English} sentences translated into {French}.

In my opinion, this would feel overwhelming or discouraging for many languages. It is very unlikely to ever reach 100% for most of the language pairs, and may remain forever below 10% forever (or at least for several decades).

> 2. {percentage} of {English} sentences with the {word} translated
> into {French}.

If we narrow down the stats to sentences with a certain word, it could be more manageable but I'm not sure if such a percentage would still make sense. If there are thousands of sentences with the word "love", is it really useful to translate all of them? It would be more useful to ensure that every word has a sentence that is translated.

Generally speaking, showing progress is, without a doubt, a powerful tool to influence motivation. But we should use it with caution and implement stats that encourage useful contributions.

Right now already, our stats could be working against us. We have a ranking for languages, based on the number of sentences in each language, and that can be an incentive for some people to value quantity over quality...

> Do you think that it could add a kind of new way to translate.

Improving the user experience for translating sentences is something I have been contemplating for the longest time. I mentioned already in other places the idea of reworking the "Translate sentences" page into a translation workspace.

https://github.com/Tatoeba/tato...ment-436521014
https://github.com/Tatoeba/tato...ssue-370311052

I have some ideas of how this workspace could look like and what you describe isn't too far from what I have in mind.

> do you think that a dark them for Tatoeba could be imaginated?

Yes, this is also something I hope to have someday.

I don't speak Hungarian, but here is Google's translation:

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Does anyone know of a page similar to Tatoeba's, where I think, for example, that you can also write sentences and have them checked by native speakers?
Certainly not forum-like. I've seen lots of examples of that.
And maybe there is something systematic about it, I think about scoring memrise here. (of course, it does not rely on words, but on words)
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My response:

The best site that I know for contributing posts for correction is Lang-8. Unfortunately, they no longer allow new accounts to be opened. However, italki offers similar functionality, called "Notebooks". Unlike Lang-8, italki Notebooks don't break up the content sentence by sentence, which means that it's hard to leave a comment that pertains to a specific sentence. Also, whereas Lang-8 offers keyboard shortcuts when you mark up a post with corrections (Ctrl-D for strikethrough, Ctrl-Alt-R to highlight text in red, etc.), italki Notebooks do not, as far as I can tell. This makes marking up text far more laborious. However, it's better than nothing.

Offline app? What does it mean? Is there no stable connection between tatoeba.org's services and the application?
Show it to TRANG. TRANG is the founder of the corpus.

There is a wiki page...

https://en.wiki.tatoeba.org/art...tatoeba-corpus

It's 100% legal to include Tatoeba data, if you include links to the original corpus, OR if you credit the contributors in another way.

However, if you want to name your application "Tatoeba App" or something similar, then please ask @Trang if she is OK with the name. But you need to ask only about the name, you don't need to ask about the sentences.

Update.

[ENG] Shekitten is now a corpus maintainer for English.

[DEU] Shekitten ist jetzt Korpuspflegerin für das Englische.

[EPO] Shekitten nun estas bontenanto por la angla frazaro.

Awesome!!! Glad to know it! Congratulations!!!!

(The links do not work. You have only copied the shortened link displayed somewhere, rather than the actual link.)

* Maybe @CK has some insight, given the curation he has done with English sentences. He has avoided some kinds of near-duplicates in his curation.

* There are methods of sorting sentences by difficulty, and doing it automatically. The method of this Anki deck sorts sentences by frequency of words, for example; not perfect, but reasonably good: https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1162908183

Duolingo has made an AI tool for some languages: https://making.duolingo.com/the...arning-content ; Some of it can be tested here, but it is probably not available as such for us mere mortals, Duoling being a company that aims for profit: https://cefr.duolingo.com/

Similar automatic methods of sorting sentences by difficulty might be worth investigation. If there exists a database of sentences and difficulties, than it might a reasonably straightforward machine learning task to have a neural network learn to classify more sentences. (Reasonably straightforward for an expert.)

Maybe clozemaster also does something like this?

* Curated lists of sentences can be useful regardless.

* I use Tatoeba as a dictionary and a collection of sentences I can translate. I will learn a bit by translating sentences herein. If there was a curated list of, say, beginner sentencs in French (a language I know poorly but am learning at the moment), then I could try to translate sentences from that list. That would be useful.

> Features needed:
> =================
> Sortable list would be suuuch a nice2have for the structuring.

What kind of criterion would be used to sort these lists? One of those currently available for searching or something new?

Joitakin ehdotuksia:

1. Etsi alkaen pisimmästä lauseesta. https://tatoeba.org/eng/sentenc...rt_reverse=yes

2. Älä käännä englannista. Jos käännät, niin älä ainakaan rajoita hakujasi nauhoitettuihin lauseisiin. Myös epänatiivien lauseet ovat usein monipuolisempia. Orvoissa lauseissa on välillä jänniä kielikuvia, joista osa on oikein.

3. Kun törmäät kiinnostavaan sanaan, etsi sitä sanaa ja käännä lauseita, kunnes törmäät uuteen kiinnostavaan sanaan. https://tatoeba.org/eng/sentenc...&sort_reverse=

4. Jos joku tietty aihepiiri nappaa, katso löytyisikö siihen viittaava tunniste. https://tatoeba.org/eng/Tags/sh...th_tag/939/spa

5. Aloita suomentaminen lyhyistä lauseista. Siellä on usein huudahduksia, haukkumasanoja, slangia jne. jota harvemmin löytyy pitemmistä lauseista. Ja helpot lauseet ovat nopeita kääntää... https://tatoeba.org/eng/sentenc...&sort_reverse=

Kengurut Itävallassa on ihan hauska tunniste.

https://tatoeba.org/eng/tags/sh...h_tag/9823/eng

https://tatoeba.org/eng/audio/of/papabear

https://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences_lists/show/7896 (Turkish)

Yksi touhu, josta ainakin itse saan välillä hupia, on etsiä monitulkintaisia sanoja tai fraaseja. Ne voi sitten suomentaa vähintään yhdellä kutakin merkitystä vastaavalla tavalla.