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sharptoothed sharptoothed 2 hours ago September 28, 2020 at 3:33:58 PM UTC link Permalink

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Pfirsichbaeumchen Pfirsichbaeumchen 3 days ago September 25, 2020 at 12:14:39 AM UTC link Permalink

I removed a large number of obsolete "@needs native check" tags, but the sentences I removed them from are still found when I search for sentences with that tag even though the tag is gone.

Is this a bug, or is it just taking unusually long for the server to know that the tags are gone?

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Guybrush88 Guybrush88 3 days ago September 25, 2020 at 7:34:24 AM UTC link Permalink

I opened a ticket for this in the tracker, so it can eventually be fixed if it's a bug: https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2/issues/2563

maaster maaster yesterday September 26, 2020 at 7:14:51 PM UTC link Permalink

Danke für die Kontrolle, was mich betrifft. : )

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Pfirsichbaeumchen Pfirsichbaeumchen yesterday, edited yesterday September 26, 2020 at 7:43:34 PM UTC, edited September 26, 2020 at 7:45:26 PM UTC link Permalink

I helped with another language where hundreds of sentences are tagged with both "@needs native check" and "OK". Of course, if I take a break after a hundred sentences or so and those sentences don't disappear from the search (when they should), that doesn't help corpus maintenance. :)

Guybrush88 Guybrush88 yesterday, edited yesterday September 26, 2020 at 8:21:19 PM UTC, edited September 26, 2020 at 8:21:33 PM UTC link Permalink

There's a fix that should be implemented soon: https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2/pull/2564

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Pfirsichbaeumchen Pfirsichbaeumchen yesterday September 26, 2020 at 8:23:15 PM UTC link Permalink

È magnifico. Grazie mille. 😊

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Guybrush88 Guybrush88 yesterday September 26, 2020 at 9:20:37 PM UTC link Permalink

di niente :)

CK CK 2 days ago September 26, 2020 at 8:24:51 AM UTC link Permalink

Stats - 2020-09-26 - Sentences with No Links

http://tatoeba.ueuo.com/stats-2...-no-links.html

driini driini 5 days ago September 23, 2020 at 8:13:46 AM UTC link Permalink

Ich habe gerade mehrmals versucht, eine Liste herunterzuladen, aber der Download-Dialog dafür öffnet sich nicht (wo ich sie speichern möchte) und ich finde sie auch nicht auf meinem Rechner.
Klappt das bei euch?

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AlanF_US AlanF_US 5 days ago September 23, 2020 at 11:21:53 AM UTC link Permalink

Could you please tell us the list, your browser and operating system, and the ateps you're using?

rumpelstilzchen rumpelstilzchen 5 days ago September 23, 2020 at 12:31:33 PM UTC link Permalink

Das Problem sollte behoben sein.
It should work again.

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driini driini 4 days ago September 24, 2020 at 11:39:58 AM UTC link Permalink

Danke

DnlScrp DnlScrp 4 days ago September 24, 2020 at 6:06:47 AM UTC link Permalink

Grazie per il servizio che fornite!
Mi piacerebbe poter selezionare più lingue per le traduzioni. Esempio, una frase in russo vederla tradotta in italiano, in inglese che è la lingua più utilizzata, in spagnolo etc. etc...
Большое спасибо.

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Guybrush88 Guybrush88 4 days ago September 24, 2020 at 7:58:28 AM UTC link Permalink

Intanto benvenuto/a su Tatoeba :)

Per quanto riguarda il poter selezionare più lingue per le traduzioni, al momento non è ancora possibile, però ho aperto un ticket nel sistema di tracciamento di bug / richieste di nuove funzionalità: https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2/issues/2562
così è possibile tener d'occhio da lì eventuali sviluppi e implementazioni di questa funzionalità (sarebbe comodo anche per me poter cercare più lingue per le traduzioni, quindi ottimo suggerimento)

Tepan Tepan 20 days ago September 8, 2020 at 12:29:38 PM UTC link Permalink

This project is really great! <3

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TRANG TRANG 15 days ago September 13, 2020 at 11:45:20 AM UTC link Permalink

Thank you! :)

Ricardo14 Ricardo14 4 days ago September 24, 2020 at 12:43:51 AM UTC link Permalink

Agreed!!!!

sharptoothed sharptoothed 6 days ago September 22, 2020 at 1:46:16 PM UTC link Permalink

* Tatoeba Top 30 Languages Interactive Graphs * have been updated:

https://tatoeba.j-langtools.com/igraph/
https://tatoeba.j-langtools.com/igraph/share.html
https://tatoeba.j-langtools.com.../index-14.html

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Ricardo14 Ricardo14 4 days ago September 24, 2020 at 12:40:52 AM UTC link Permalink

Thank you!!!!

sharptoothed sharptoothed 26 days ago September 2, 2020 at 3:15:26 PM UTC link Permalink

* Tatoeba Most Translated Sentences Charts * charts have been updated:

https://tatoeba.j-langtools.com/mosttranslated/
https://tatoeba.j-langtools.com...ed/bylang.html
https://tatoeba.j-langtools.com...sentences.html

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CK CK 25 days ago September 3, 2020 at 1:42:38 AM UTC link Permalink

This (new?) one is an interesting idea.

Sentences translated by the largest number of members
https://tatoeba.j-langtools.com...sentences.html

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mccarras mccarras 23 days ago September 5, 2020 at 1:21:42 AM UTC link Permalink

Love this one!

lbdx lbdx 23 days ago September 5, 2020 at 10:02:17 AM UTC link Permalink

I also like the third table with the most popular sentences. It's funny to note that although 29% of English sentences contain the word "Tom", only 1% of the most popular sentences contain this word.

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Cabo Cabo 23 days ago, edited 23 days ago September 5, 2020 at 11:06:11 AM UTC, edited September 5, 2020 at 11:11:28 AM UTC link Permalink

Tom is popular, but the interjections (hello; bonjour), short and single sentences (Go!, What?), well-known phrases (How are you?; Je ne sais pas.) are the most popular ones amongst translators. It's not a big surprise.
Ask Tom. (short sentence); Hello, Tom. (interjection); My name is Tom. (well-known phrase)

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maaster maaster 22 days ago, edited 22 days ago September 5, 2020 at 6:45:32 PM UTC, edited September 5, 2020 at 6:57:24 PM UTC link Permalink

Ez így van. De vannak vegyes mondatok is; pl.: Hello, Tom. Hogy hívnak, Tom? Ez kolbász, Tom. Vagy valami hasonlók.

Ja, hogy ez a legnépszerűbb mondatokhoz íródott!

lbdx lbdx 22 days ago, edited 22 days ago September 6, 2020 at 8:31:20 AM UTC, edited September 6, 2020 at 8:31:58 AM UTC link Permalink

@Cabo You have a point. It would be interesting to compile the rankings of the most popular sentences in the last month alone. This would allow us to see how the situation evolves now that the most obvious sentences you mention are already widely covered.

brauchinet brauchinet 19 days ago, edited 19 days ago September 9, 2020 at 8:52:38 AM UTC, edited September 9, 2020 at 9:11:34 AM UTC link Permalink

Update of my previous post:
Original sentences within a given calendar week that attracted the most (direct and indirect) translations in the following 3 weeks.
The main point is that translations are to be in different languages and by different users. So, when a user translates their own sentence into different languages, these translations won’t count. Nonetheless, they can serve as a base for new (indirect) translations by other users.
I thought this little “competion” could give an idea which kind of recently added sentences members find interesting to translate. (hm…)


Week 31: 3 sentences with 5 translations
Sentence #8950897 [eng] (CK)
#8951011 [asm] Mohsin_Ali, #8951125 [rus] marafon, #8954378 [epo] Verdastelo, #8954395 [nld] martinod, #8958525 [lit] glavsaltulo
Sentence #8952548 [fra] (Julien_PDC)
#8969377 [rus] marafon, #8969471 [epo] soweli_Elepanto, #8969947 [deu] Esperantostern, #8971291 [ido] Idopauline, #8984793 [lit] glavsaltulo
Sentence #8952549 [fra] (Julien_PDC)
#8969376 [rus] marafon, #8969472 [epo] soweli_Elepanto, #8969946 [deu] Esperantostern, #8971294 [ile] Idopauline, #8984795 [lit] glavsaltulo

Week 32: 2 sentences with 8 translations
Sentence #8961864 [eng] (CK)
#8961903 [ces] Ergulis, #8962236 [ron] elenacristina260, #8967653 [rus] marafon, #8967884 [epo] Verdastelo, #8968842 [deu] Pfirsichbaeumchen, #8968854 [lit] glavsaltulo, #8969452 [jpn] small_snow, #8971264 [ido] Idopauline
Sentence #8962885 [eng] (CK)
#8963583 [epo] Verdastelo, #8963758 [rus] marafon, #8974936 [lit] glavsaltulo, #8979760 [por] JGEN, #9001683 [tur] soliloquist, #9001840 [deu] Pfirsichbaeumchen, #9003914 [spa] Shishir, #9003916 [ces] Ergulis

https://tatoeba.org/eng/wall/sh...#message_35918

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lbdx lbdx 19 days ago September 9, 2020 at 5:27:14 PM UTC link Permalink

I like the idea of measuring popularity over a few weeks time frame to spot the "weekly trending sentences".

On the other hand, it seems to me that it would be fairer to compare only the sentences of the same language and therefore not to take into account the indirect translations.

brauchinet brauchinet 8 days ago September 19, 2020 at 6:43:58 PM UTC link Permalink

One more update on “Most successful sentences per calendar week”:
Recently added original sentences that attracted the most translations in different languages by different members.

Week 33
7 translations:
Sentence #8967901 [eng] (CK) We got lost in the cave.
6 translations:
Sentence #8973283 [por] (Ricardo14) Sou do Brasil, e você?
Sentence #8977198 [por] (Ricardo14) É um prazer imenso.
Sentence #8978634 [eng] (CK) Tom's house is over there.

Week 34
7 translations:
Sentence #8984009 [eng] (CK) Tom isn't a socialist.
Sentence #8986800 [por] (Ricardo14) Eu falo grego, e você?
6 translations:
Sentence #8983956 [eng] (CK) Tom isn't colorblind.
Sentence #8985089 [por] (Ricardo14) Eu quero morar em Lisboa.
Sentence #8986338 [por] (Ricardo14) Carlos é espanhol e a esposa dele é alemã.
Sentence #8986803 [por] (Ricardo14) Eu falo um pouco de alemão.

https://tatoeba.org/eng/wall/sh...#message_35918

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Thanuir Thanuir 8 days ago September 20, 2020 at 11:14:41 AM UTC link Permalink

What would this look like if scaled by the number of translations the sentences in a given language usually get?

That is, divide the number of English translation of a given sentence by the average number of translations English sentences have, and so on for other languages.

This would tell how popular a particular sentence is, but would control for the fact that there are many more people translating from English than many other languages, for example.

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brauchinet brauchinet 7 days ago, edited 7 days ago September 20, 2020 at 6:38:19 PM UTC, edited September 20, 2020 at 6:43:17 PM UTC link Permalink

Intresting idea.
For a start, I tried to find out how many translations recently added original sentences got on average (by the standards defined: counting only one translation per language and user).

Quite astonishing:
In week 34, there were 2007 original English sentences: on average they got 0,239 direct translations and 0,264 translations including indirect ones.

Week 34
eng: 2007 / 0,239 / 0,264
deu: 100 / 0,25 / 0,28
fra : 62 / 0,5 / 0,62
rus: 393 / 0,01 / 0,022
por : 76 /1,11 / 1,447
fin : 7 /0 /0

Week 33
eng : 1196 / 0,392 / 0,497
deu : 45 / 0,022 / 0,088
fra : 76 / 0,105 / 0,223
rus: 487 / 0,024 / 0,029
por : 126 / 0,690 / 0,944
fin : 2 / 0 / 0


Does that mean Portuguese is much more popular than English?

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Thanuir Thanuir 7 days ago September 20, 2020 at 7:02:50 PM UTC link Permalink

It does certainly mean that Portuguese sentences are translated more often and quickly than English ones, but this might be because there is someone actively translating new Portuguese sentences, whereas for English there might be too many sentences for people to translate with as much dedication.

It would require more investigation.

A longer time window might be relevant, thought; I don't personally focus on translating new sentences, most of the time, and see little reason to do so. So maybe look at the average number of translations ever and compare to that? It should tell which sentences are disproportionally popular at the moment.

Tango Tango 9 days ago September 18, 2020 at 7:02:57 PM UTC link Permalink

Hi, my name is Tango, I just joint tatoeba to contribute a translation for our native language, I read on how I can add it in this article https://en.wiki.tatoeba.org/art...nguage-request but on my profile I can't seem to find a way to add it. any help would be very apprecitated.

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TRANG TRANG 9 days ago September 18, 2020 at 9:39:02 PM UTC link Permalink

Hi Tango and welcome! :)

You will have to wait that your language request is implemented and deployed before you can add the language in your profile. This can take a week or two.

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Tango Tango 9 days ago September 18, 2020 at 9:44:39 PM UTC link Permalink

Thank you Trang for the quick update, will look forward for it to be integrated.

morbrorper morbrorper 16 days ago, edited 16 days ago September 12, 2020 at 7:09:11 AM UTC, edited September 12, 2020 at 7:13:33 AM UTC link Permalink

Most often, when I perform an exact search for a Japanese sentence I have found at Clozemaster, the search doesn't find anything. However, if I set "Is orphan" and "Is unapproved" to Any, the sentence will be found. I find it very irritating that I have to go through that extra step, especially if the first search is lengthy.

Try this one: https://tatoeba.org/eng/sentenc...rom=und&to=und

I can possibly understand that Tatoeba does not want to pollute the search results with dodgy sentences, but when there is an exact match I think an exception should be made.

Another issue is why there are so many Japanese sentences that seem to be mostly forgotten, having no owner and sometimes with very "imaginative" English translations. Might this partly be because they are hidden by the search interface?

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CK CK 16 days ago September 12, 2020 at 8:45:36 AM UTC link Permalink

Bookmark this URL.
It's a pre-filled advanced search form with what you want.

https://tatoeba.org/eng/sentenc...&sort_reverse=

The pre-filled search form option is something that was added recently.

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morbrorper morbrorper 16 days ago September 12, 2020 at 9:26:15 AM UTC link Permalink

Thanks, that helps a bit, but not when I issue the search directly from Clozemaster.

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AlanF_US AlanF_US 16 days ago, edited 16 days ago September 12, 2020 at 12:06:54 PM UTC, edited September 12, 2020 at 12:12:23 PM UTC link Permalink

I suggest posting a request at Clozemaster for them to change the parameters of the query issued to include at least orphans (unapproved might be more problematic) when searching for a full sentence. Searching for a single word is probably a different story, since you would probably get enough good matches without relaxing the criteria.

Many of our Japanese sentences come from the Tanaka Corpus, and we've had too few Japanese-speaking members to fix all the problems with it.

http://www.edrdg.org/wiki/index.php/Tanaka_Corpus

Cabo Cabo 10 days ago September 18, 2020 at 5:18:44 AM UTC link Permalink

Are you sure that all of the sentences originate from here?
Or maybe the sentence was rewritten but on clozemaster the infomation hasn't changed.
I also not found one of its English sentence pair so far. (in first 100 most used words list)

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morbrorper morbrorper 10 days ago September 18, 2020 at 7:00:48 AM UTC link Permalink

Judging from my experience, I am quite sure. I don't think Clozemaster uses any other corpus than Tatoeba, and Clozemaster does not rewrite sentences, to my knowledge.

It seems that Clozemaster fetched all its Japanese sentences from Tatoeba some five to eight years ago, so any changes made after that are not reflected in its corpus. On the other hand, not a lot seems to have happened with these sentences here at Tatoeba in the meantime, anyway. But if you don't find a particular sentence, it might have been deleted.