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gillux gillux 2 days ago March 4, 2021 at 6:10:08 PM UTC link Permalink

Dear all,

At the moment, links to wiki articles are all pointing to the English wiki. For example, the Quick Start Guide link in the page footer always brings you to the English wiki article, even if you are browsing Tatoeba in a different language. This is a shame since some articles have been localized in other languages, but the average user might not notice it.

I am in the process of fixing this. Starting from next week, all the wiki links will be adjusted according to the language you are browsing Tatoeba into (giving that the article exists in that language; otherwise it will fall back to the English one).

Since this change is going to bring more exposure to non English wikis, I’d like to call for help on translating the wiki and proofread existing translations, in particular the following articles:

Quick Start Guide https://en.wiki.tatoeba.org/art...ow/quick-start
FAQ https://en.wiki.tatoeba.org/articles/show/faq
Text search https://en.wiki.tatoeba.org/art...ow/text-search

Note that you need to create an account to edit the wiki. Send me a private message if you need help on this.

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soliloquist soliloquist yesterday, edited yesterday March 5, 2021 at 1:37:44 PM UTC, edited March 5, 2021 at 1:37:59 PM UTC link Permalink

Thanks for working on it! It seems you found a better method to redirect wiki pages, other than using Transifex. (https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2/issues/2626 )

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gillux gillux yesterday March 5, 2021 at 6:10:49 PM UTC link Permalink

Yes, no special action is needed by translators. All the links pointing to the wiki will just update automatically. (If you just created a new wiki article, you’ll have to wait for up to one hour before the link updates though.)

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AlanF_US AlanF_US yesterday March 5, 2021 at 10:25:55 PM UTC link Permalink

The FAQ section on simplified and traditional Chinese characters ( https://en.wiki.tatoeba.org/art...-i-use-simplif ) looks like this:

:::
When browsing sentences, if you set the Chinese sentence as the main sentence, you will see an additional icon at the top of the sentence.

- traditional traditional
- simplified simplified
:::

Notice the doubled words.

If you edit the page, it is displayed like this:

* ![traditional](http://tatoeba.org/img/traditional_chinese.png) traditional
* ![simplified](http://tatoeba.org/img/simplified_chinese.png) simplified

Maybe the png images have been lost and need to be uploaded again?

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AlanF_US AlanF_US yesterday March 5, 2021 at 10:36:17 PM UTC link Permalink

While exploring this further, I came up with another problem. Usually, I write these up as issue tickets, but I wasn't sure to put it in the tatoeba2 area or the tatowiki area (does that still get read?).

If you edit a wiki page, a box in the upper right-hand sidebar appears that says this:

:::
Actions

Upload a new image
View all images
:::

The second link, "View all images", is associated with this URL:

https://en.wiki.tatoeba.org/articles/edit/list-all

But following that link takes you to a page that says "Create a new article", which is probably not correct.

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gillux gillux 5 hours ago March 6, 2021 at 7:18:39 PM UTC link Permalink

As for bugs within the wiki website, this is a whole different story because the wiki was created by sysko about 10 years ago using very exotic (and now unmaintained) framework only he is familiar with. I might be able to fix simple issues but it is generally tedious.

That being said, I set up a separate wiki instance on the dev platform at https://wiki.dev.tatoeba.org, and a wiki instance is now bundled in the latest Imouto virtual machine. This will certainly ease any kind of future work on the wiki.

CK CK 20 hours ago March 6, 2021 at 4:00:50 AM UTC link Permalink

Since our flags got changed to svg, I tried that, but these get NOT FOUND errors, too.

https://tatoeba.org/img/traditional_chinese.svg
https://tatoeba.org/img/simplified_chinese.svg

This is the URL for a flag icon.
https://tatoeba.org/img/flags/eng.svg

Perhaps @gillux knows where the new location for these files is.

gillux gillux 5 hours ago March 6, 2021 at 7:05:28 PM UTC link Permalink

Maybe you need to change the links from http to https? For a currently working example, have a look at this page https://fr.wiki.tatoeba.org/art...w/premiers-pas I remember that the wiki syntax for images is confusing because what you see in the instant preview (below the text edition area) isn’t exactly what you get after saving.

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AlanF_US AlanF_US 3 hours ago, edited 3 hours ago March 6, 2021 at 9:05:04 PM UTC, edited March 6, 2021 at 9:06:06 PM UTC link Permalink

The French FAQ page gives these URLs:

Traditional:
https://tatoeba.org/img/scripts/Hant.svg =16x16

Simplified:
https://tatoeba.org/img/scripts/Hans.svg =16x16

However, trying to follow them as they are results in 404 errors. If I remove the " =16x16", I can see the icons, but they're far too large.

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Yorwba Yorwba 3 hours ago March 6, 2021 at 9:18:36 PM UTC link Permalink

Since the French FAQ page displays those images correctly, I think that the =16x16 is part of the wiki syntax to limit the size to 16 pixels by 16 pixels.

As for where those images show up, they're only used in the old design. The new design replaces them with a corner arrow ↳.

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AlanF_US AlanF_US 2 hours ago March 6, 2021 at 9:40:22 PM UTC link Permalink

I see, thanks. This enabled me to fix the English FAQ page.

gillux gillux 5 hours ago March 6, 2021 at 7:20:18 PM UTC link Permalink

Note that the wiki links showing at the footer of https://dev.tatoeba.org are now pointing to the articles of the dev wiki at https://wiki.dev.tatoeba.org. This effectively shows you a preview of how it will be like next week on tatoeba.org.

CK CK 10 days ago February 24, 2021 at 6:18:30 AM UTC link Permalink

** Audio by CK **

The number of English sentences with audio recorded by me has now gone over 550,000.

You can find the sentences with the most-recently added audio files at the top of this list.
https://tatoeba.org/eng/sentenc...direction=desc



30,589 (5.6%) of these sentences do not yet have translations into any language.
Perhaps you would like to be the first one to translate some of these.

Sort: Random
https://tatoeba.org/eng/sentenc...de&sort=random

Sort: Last Created
https://tatoeba.org/eng/sentenc...e&sort=created

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Objectivesea Objectivesea 10 days ago February 24, 2021 at 6:39:20 AM UTC link Permalink

Congratulations, CK. That's a marvellous and unstintingly generous contribution, for which the entire Tatoeba community thanks you.

DJ_Saidez DJ_Saidez 10 days ago, edited 10 days ago February 24, 2021 at 7:15:01 AM UTC, edited February 24, 2021 at 7:15:16 AM UTC link Permalink

録音いっぱいな~、凄い!
おめでとうございます🎉🎉🎉

CK CK 10 days ago, edited 10 days ago February 24, 2021 at 7:34:31 AM UTC, edited February 24, 2021 at 7:35:54 AM UTC link Permalink

If you want to see if any of your English sentences have audio by me, change the "Owner" field in this preset advanced search form from "DJ_Saidez" to your own username, then click "Search.

https://tatoeba.org/eng/sentenc...=&sort=created

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helloroto helloroto 10 days ago February 24, 2021 at 9:45:37 AM UTC link Permalink

550,000 is a hard number to comprehend, but it's absolutely crazy to me how many of these sentences I throw into the void get audio added by you. What an achievement, congrats!

CK CK yesterday March 5, 2021 at 9:24:18 AM UTC link Permalink

I created a page listing all members who have English sentences that I've recorded.

http://tatoeba.ueuo.com/stats-2...-engaudio.html

You can click the links to see these members' English sentences that have audio.

There are currently 551,981 sentences with audio that I've added.

AlanF_US AlanF_US yesterday March 5, 2021 at 3:42:30 AM UTC link Permalink

When you see a sentence thread that has 96 comments, does that make you more inclined to leave another one? When you see that seven of those comments call to the admins, but no admin has replied yet, do you conclude that another call to the admins is likely to do the trick? When you see that a particular style of punctuation brings widespread criticism, do you persist in it? When you see that someone loves nothing more in life than to stir up an argument, do you oblige them?

Or do you just focus on adding high-quality sentences, translations, and corrections rather than trying to insist that everyone adhere to your interpretation of the rules?

I see both approaches being applied here, but you might be able to guess which one I think gets us closer to our goal.

Tepan Tepan 12 days ago February 22, 2021 at 4:14:48 PM UTC link Permalink

Dear Admins,

in my opinion, this sentence
https://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/4470815

violates the Tatoeba guidelines:
https://en.wiki.tatoeba.org/art...how/guidelines

"Use correct capitalization and punctuation.
Sentences should be written in the normal way that an educated native speaker would write them."

My opinion is: either the guidelines are clear and can be followed, at which point you should react accordingly and block the author for repeatedly trolling us, or the guidelines are vague and should be updated in order to avoid lengthy discussions.

Regards
Stephan

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helloroto helloroto 12 days ago February 22, 2021 at 10:05:42 PM UTC link Permalink

Can the comments at least get shut down? It's just turned to vitriol

Thanuir Thanuir 11 days ago February 23, 2021 at 5:30:19 PM UTC link Permalink

Vaikka sacredceltic ei kerääkään itselleen ystäviä, taitaa hän kuitenkin olla oikeassa. Englanti, myös oikein kirjoitettu englanti, on hyvin laaja käsite. Tatoeba myös hyväksyy vanhahtavaa kieltä, murteita, slangia, ja niin edelleen, joten eiköhän se muutamista erilaisista pilkutustavoistakin selviä. Samoin erilaiset lainausmerkit ovat täysin hyväksyttäviä ja esimerkiksi koneoppimisen kannalta on jopa hyvä, jos sisältö on mahdollisimman monimuotoista.

Kuten aina, suosittelen että kukin keskittyy luomaan sellaista sisältöä, jota itse toivoo näkevänsä, ja antaa muiden tehdä samaa, kunhan ei selkeitä virheitä tule vastaan.

Ja ken omaa linkitysoikeuden voi samalla linkittää lauseet, jotka eroavat pelkällä välilyönnillä tai välilyönnin tyypillä toisistaan.

Tepan Tepan 3 days ago March 3, 2021 at 7:03:44 AM UTC link Permalink

@tatoebaadmins

Worth a bump!

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brauchinet brauchinet 3 days ago March 3, 2021 at 7:19:47 AM UTC link Permalink

> Worth a bump!
Shouldn't there be a space before the exclamation mark ?

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sacredceltic sacredceltic 3 days ago March 3, 2021 at 11:51:46 PM UTC link Permalink

Definitely !

Nero Nero 2 days ago March 4, 2021 at 2:54:38 PM UTC link Permalink

I agree. This kind of behavior has directly contributed to users leaving the project over the years. It's been the same nonsensical Dickens and typewriter arguments for probably 10 years now. The admins are and have been aware of this exact issue and other issues of this nature for years now and haven't taken action.

Your best course of action is to add the "non-standard punctuation" tag and move on. The other option is becoming annoyed enough with people injecting their political beliefs into spacing before punctuation that you too eventually leave the project.

Everyone knows that conventions are no replacement for a governing body for a language and therefore have no power to determine how a language is used...

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Ooneykcall Ooneykcall 2 days ago March 4, 2021 at 6:28:05 PM UTC link Permalink

A governing body has the power to control how you use language beyond official settings? What a totalitarian nightmare that would be!

helloroto helloroto 2 days ago March 4, 2021 at 6:49:31 PM UTC link Permalink

I guess it's over then.

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DJ_Saidez DJ_Saidez 2 days ago March 4, 2021 at 6:49:59 PM UTC link Permalink

Sadly, far from it

sacredceltic sacredceltic 2 days ago March 4, 2021 at 9:12:58 PM UTC link Permalink

You bet ?

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helloroto helloroto 2 days ago March 4, 2021 at 9:40:55 PM UTC link Permalink

I couldn't see the option to comment, so I assumed no one else could, so I assumed the discussion was over. I was wrong, it was getting really juicy.

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sacredceltic sacredceltic 2 days ago March 4, 2021 at 11:45:37 PM UTC link Permalink

Lorsque deux personnes sont du même avis, l’une d’elles est inutile.
Vive la dialectique et mort aux idées reçues !

LanguageExpert LanguageExpert 2 days ago March 4, 2021 at 4:48:56 AM UTC link Permalink

Hello everyone! I hope everyone's doing well. Anyway, on Internet Explorer, there's an unfortunate problem. First thing is that, it shows the latest sentences on the home screen, but the option to click on them doesn't show up. Also, the other problem on Internet Explorer that has been going on is that it doesn't let you click on "Stats per languages" or "Activity timeline."

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Thanuir Thanuir 2 days ago March 4, 2021 at 5:40:38 AM UTC link Permalink

Hei vaan! Olisiko mahdollista käyttää jotain muuta selainta kuin Internet exploreria? Microsoftkin nykyään tarjoaa Edge-selaintaan, ymmärtääkseni.

Objectivesea Objectivesea 2 days ago March 4, 2021 at 8:03:40 AM UTC link Permalink

Internet Explorer is deprecated now. It's better to use a standards-compliant browser like Firefox, Google Chrome, Safari or Opera. Even Microsoft's current product, Edge, is far better than Internet Explorer, which is no longer under development. Try viewing this and other sites in a more modern browser, and see if your particular problem with the Tatoeba site disappears. Good luck.

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LanguageExpert LanguageExpert 2 days ago March 4, 2021 at 8:09:13 AM UTC link Permalink

Thank you for your message! It works really well on Chrome! :)

CK CK 3 days ago March 4, 2021 at 12:24:50 AM UTC link Permalink

https://imgur.com/a/vIr5G3P

2 screenshots of the "Stats per Language" page.

March 4, 2021 and March 4, 2020

LisaBaker3 LisaBaker3 3 days ago March 3, 2021 at 6:33:59 AM UTC link Permalink
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User74101 User74101 4 days ago, edited 4 days ago March 2, 2021 at 1:11:07 PM UTC, edited March 2, 2021 at 1:11:44 PM UTC link Permalink

#9809114

I need help about English here. Please comment. Only natives please.

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Cabo Cabo 4 days ago March 2, 2021 at 2:07:55 PM UTC link Permalink

You can guess.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...ort_scales#Use

sharptoothed sharptoothed 5 days ago March 1, 2021 at 5:59:46 PM UTC link Permalink

** Stats & Graphs **

Tatoeba Stats, Graphs & Charts have been updated:
https://tatoeba.j-langtools.com/allstats/

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DJ_Saidez DJ_Saidez 5 days ago March 1, 2021 at 6:11:13 PM UTC link Permalink

どうもありがとう

Guybrush88 Guybrush88 5 days ago March 1, 2021 at 6:54:32 PM UTC link Permalink

thanks

CK CK 6 days ago February 28, 2021 at 5:19:12 AM UTC link Permalink

** Stats - 2021-02-27 **

English on List 907 with Native-speaker-owned Translations

http://tatoeba.ueuo.com/stats-2...907-links.html

This table shows the number of English sentences on my list of proofread English sentences that are linked to sentences in other languages owned by native speakers.

I've also included links for a random selection of English sentences with audio that do not yet have translations into these languages.

Native speakers translating these sentences will be helping me with several projects.