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Aiji Aiji 13 days ago, edited 13 days ago March 24, 2020 at 1:12 AM, edited March 24, 2020 at 1:16 AM link permalink

What's New on Tatoeba? - Your weekly recap °9


UPDATES

※ From the Downloads page, it is now possible to downlad only sentences in a specific language. Have a look at it, that's very cool! Thanks to AndiPersti for implementing this.

※ There was a bug causing the displayed number of sentences in a list to be different on the "Browse by list" page (wrong number) and the page of the list itself (good number). This has been fixed, and from now on both numbers should be equal. Thanks to CK for reporting and Aiji for fixing it.

※ gillux did some optimization work in order to lighten some things here and there. As often, that's almost invisible work for most of us, but it's a good thing that it's done!


ON THE WALL

※ deniko started a discussion on some aspects of the new design. https://tatoeba.org/fra/wall/show_message/34472

※ because_maybe's post led to talk a little about stemming and lemmatization. https://tatoeba.org/fra/wall/show_message/34483

※ TRANG asked some help to test the transcription feature in the new design. https://tatoeba.org/fra/wall/show_message/34534

※ Hybrid talked about the way to change the language of a sentence in the new design.
https://tatoeba.org/fra/wall/show_message/34560


CONTRIBUTIONS AND LANGUAGES

This week, we can have a look at sharptoothed's details stats :) https://tatoeba.j-langtools.com/allstats/

This week, two languages were added, bringing the number of languages on Tatoeba to 353! Thanks to Ricardo14 and gillux for coordinating this.
On AqQoyriq_1's request, Evenki has been added https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evenki_language

On Balamax's request, Okinawan has been added
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okinawan_language

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If you'd like to help to the development of Tatoeba, report issues, or are just curious, have a look at the GitHub repository: https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2

If you want to help us translate the website to your language, you can join us on Transifex: https://www.transifex.com/tatoe...ite/dashboard/ and check this article on the wiki https://en.wiki.tatoeba.org/art...ce-translation

If you're especially happy with one of the updates, don't hesitate to personally thank our developers :) They're working in the shadow but they'll be glad to hear your feedback.

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Fun fact: German is the most widely spoken language in the European Union. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_language


Last week recap: https://tatoeba.org/fra/wall/show_message/34475
See this recap on the blog: https://blog.tatoeba.org/2020/0...y-recap-9.html

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Hybrid Hybrid 13 days ago March 24, 2020 at 2:09 AM link permalink

Thanks to everyone who worked to improve Tatoeba!

Hybrid Hybrid 13 days ago March 24, 2020 at 12:16 AM link permalink

Tatoeba coding event

At first, I thought it was the Tatoeba COVID event. I'm happy that I got it wrong :)

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Aiji Aiji 13 days ago, edited 13 days ago March 24, 2020 at 12:57 AM, edited March 24, 2020 at 12:57 AM link permalink

Please contribute from home, and do not gather outside for translating parties :)

sharptoothed sharptoothed 14 days ago March 23, 2020 at 12:10 PM link permalink

** Stats & Graphs **

Tatoeba Stats, Graphs & Charts have been updated:
https://tatoeba.j-langtools.com/allstats/

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Ricardo14 Ricardo14 14 days ago March 23, 2020 at 2:28 PM link permalink

Thank you :)

Guybrush88 Guybrush88 14 days ago March 23, 2020 at 5:09 PM link permalink

thanks

sacredceltic sacredceltic 14 days ago March 22, 2020 at 8:15 PM link permalink

Je rêve d'une fonctionnalité du type "Au hasard sans Tom" ...

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TRANG TRANG 14 days ago March 23, 2020 at 4:11 PM link permalink

Il est possible de faire une recherche en excluant certains mots, mais il faut spécificer au moins un mot à inclure.

https://en.wiki.tatoeba.org/art...%22,-%22a%22-o

Vous pouvez donc par exemple inclure un mot fréquent (comme "the") et exclure Tom:

https://tatoeba.org/eng/sentenc...&sort_reverse=

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sacredceltic sacredceltic 14 days ago March 23, 2020 at 4:12 PM link permalink

> mais il faut spécificer au moins un mot à inclure.

ben oui, c'est pénible...

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TRANG TRANG 14 days ago March 23, 2020 at 4:16 PM link permalink

Je suis d'accord, ce n'est pas parfait. C'était juste pour suggérer une solution en attendant qu'on ait quelque chose de mieux.

sacredceltic sacredceltic 14 days ago March 23, 2020 at 10:12 AM link permalink

il y a un message "Nous avons révisé nos conditions d'utilisation. " mais il n'indique pas ce qui a été révisé. Ce serait plus sympa plutôt que de laisser chercher les aiguilles dans la botte de foin. Moi je ne vais pas chercher et donc pas accepter...

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TRANG TRANG 14 days ago March 23, 2020 at 4:06 PM link permalink

L'affichage du message est dû à un bug qui fait que certains utilisateurs n'ont pas eu l'occasion d'accepter les nouvelles conditions d'utilisation après leur introduction en janvier 2019 et ne voient ce message que maintenant.

Cf. https://github.com/Tatoeba/tato...ment-600576847

Il n'y a pas eu de changements dans le contenu en lui-même, juste quelques corrections et reformulations. Pour info l'historique des changements est accessible ici:
https://github.com/Tatoeba/tato...ms-of-use.html
Le dernier changement ne comporte qu'une réindentation du code HTML.

Ricardo14 Ricardo14 14 days ago March 23, 2020 at 11:44 AM link permalink

**Note to the UI translators who joined us on Transifex**

Dear translators,

To get notifications, stay updated what's happening on Transifex and be notified about new strings, please do the following:

1 - Click over your profile picture and choose "User Settings" - http://prntscr.com/rl4h8d
2 - From there, click on "Notification settings" - http://prntscr.com/rl4imj
3 - On messages, make sure that you checked *all* the boxes - http://prntscr.com/rl4kjs
4 - Click on "Save Changes" - http://prntscr.com/rl4mdy

Also, make sure you're "watching" Tatoeba by clicking on "Watches" **after** you clicked on "Save Changes" - http://prntscr.com/rl4nr4. In case you're not watching

1 - Click on Transifex logo - http://prntscr.com/rl4on8
2 - Make sure you're at https://www.transifex.com/tatoe...ite/dashboard/ - http://prntscr.com/rl4p6b
3 - Click on the "eye" icon - http://prntscr.com/rl4pqp

There's also a forum in which we can discuss/ take out doubts / make suggestions. To access

1 - Click on "Tatoeba UI Translators" - http://prntscr.com/rl4rzt
2 - Click on the "ballon" icon on the right side - http://prntscr.com/rl4shd
3 - Voilà! You're there! :) - https://www.transifex.com/tatoe...4/discussions/


Please, PM me if you have any other questions

sacredceltic sacredceltic 14 days ago March 22, 2020 at 8:42 PM link permalink

est-ce que "marquer comme OK" est comptabilisé comme un "contribution" ?

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Aiji Aiji 14 days ago March 23, 2020 at 1:52 AM link permalink

Marquer comme OK, pas sûr, ou pas OK n'est pas comptabilisé comme une contribution.

Concernant ce qui est comptabilisé comme une contribution, ce n'est actuellement pas très clair, et selon la page que vous consultez "contribution" n'a pas le même sens. Du travail a été fait dans ce sens ces derniers temps. La page montrant l'activité journalière va bientôt se voir faire un lifting. Une fois cela fait, nous pourrons plus facilement harmoniser les "contributions" sur les diverses pages (Dernière contributions, page de profil, etc.)

Puis-je vous demander pourquoi votre question ? Est-ce que vous voudriez voir le nombre de OK, pas sûr, pas OK d'un coup d'œil sur une page spécifique ? Ou simplement le total des trois ? Ou bien autre chose ?


Juste pour référence, concernant les "contributions" :
https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2/issues/1612
https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2/issues/2144

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sacredceltic sacredceltic 14 days ago March 23, 2020 at 10:09 AM link permalink

Non je trouve simplement que la révision d'une phrase devrait être comptabilisée dans les "Contributions" d'un utilisateur. C'est du boulot et c'est utile. Tout travail mérite salaire...

Hybrid Hybrid 15 days ago March 22, 2020 at 1:39 PM link permalink

Hi,

I think that clicking on the flag should allow you to change the language of a sentence. This is more intuitive than the current way of doing it.

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Elsofie Elsofie 15 days ago March 22, 2020 at 3:17 PM link permalink

I agree!

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AlanF_US AlanF_US 15 days ago March 22, 2020 at 4:04 PM link permalink

Isn't that the way it already works? Could you describe in more detail what you see when you click on a flag?

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Hybrid Hybrid 15 days ago March 22, 2020 at 5:23 PM link permalink

1. Go to any sentence. For example: https://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/8626672

2. Try to click on the flag.

3. Nothing happens.

Elsofie Elsofie 15 days ago March 22, 2020 at 4:30 PM link permalink

Nothing happens.

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deniko deniko 15 days ago, edited 15 days ago March 22, 2020 at 5:01 PM, edited March 22, 2020 at 5:12 PM link permalink

That's weird. It works for me.

This is how I do it, do you do it differently?

1. Found a sentence with the wrong flag:

https://i.imgur.com/qRS7FhW.png

2. Click on the flag. A drop down menu appears, it tells you the name of the current flag:

https://i.imgur.com/fTZCInw.png

3. I expand the list and choose the correct language:

https://i.imgur.com/erwz04t.png

4. Voila. The flag has changed:

https://i.imgur.com/ULzRzaH.png

EDIT. Out of curiosity I temporarily changed my sentence display style to the "new design", so maybe you were trying that in the new design? It seems to be working differently there. Clicking on the flag does nothing. You're supposed to click "Edit", after that you can change either the flag or the sentence (or both, I guess):

https://i.imgur.com/B0UY2lo.png

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Hybrid Hybrid 15 days ago March 22, 2020 at 5:23 PM link permalink

Yes, I'm using the new design.

Elsofie Elsofie 15 days ago March 22, 2020 at 5:26 PM link permalink

It used to be that way but in the new design one first has to click on “expand menu” and then on the menu “edit”. And then you can change the flag. I really prefer the old design!!!

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AlanF_US AlanF_US 14 days ago, edited 14 days ago March 22, 2020 at 6:28 PM, edited March 23, 2020 at 5:13 PM link permalink

I hadn't been using the new design, but now I see that clicking on the flag does not change the language. However, I don't need to click on "expand menu" in order to select "edit". "Edit" is one of the buttons that is displayed even when the menu is not expanded.

I can see that an additional click is now required, but in defense of the new design:

(1) Clicking on the flag to change the language, as in the old design, never felt intuitive to me. I remember not knowing how to change the language until someone explained it to me.
(2) Labeling with the wrong language is less common than errors in the text itself, so I don't find it such a burden to click on the "edit" button first.
(3) In the old design, the language drop-down blocked part of the content, while this design lets you look at both the language and the sentence content at the same time.

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deniko deniko 14 days ago, edited 14 days ago March 22, 2020 at 6:45 PM, edited March 22, 2020 at 8:13 PM link permalink

> However, I don't need to click on "expand menu" in order to select "edit".

Same here. The "Edit" icon is readily available.

> in defense of the new design

All good points. I'm not a fan of the new design at all, but this feature in particular seems to be alright, and even more intuitive comparing to the old design.

Elsofie Elsofie 14 days ago, edited 14 days ago March 22, 2020 at 7:28 PM, edited March 22, 2020 at 9:50 PM link permalink

You are right. I do not need the “expand menu” first. However, I preferred the old design but it’s not a big deal. I get used to this solution I guess.

TRANG TRANG 14 days ago March 22, 2020 at 8:00 PM link permalink

From my experience, not everyone finds it intuitive. Alan and deniko are not the only people.

In fact we have a bug in the old design which we discovered because some people first click on the edit button, then click on the flag, even if they could click right away on the flag:
https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2/issues/1678

I also remember someone mention on the wall that they would like to click on the flag of a sentence and see other sentences in the language clicked. It shows that, for this person as well, it would not be intuitive to click on the flag to edit the sentence.

So I'm tempted to say that it is simply more convenient for you (and Elsofie, and surely several other users) to click on the flag, purely out of habit. You are just used to it and changing habits takes some time. But it is overall not more intuitive.

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Thanuir Thanuir 14 days ago March 23, 2020 at 5:30 AM link permalink

Minulta ainakin kesti oma aikani keksiä, että lippua voi painaa.

Samoin näkee uusia käyttäjiä, jotka pyytävät jotakuta poistamaan lauseen, koska se on väärän lipun alla.

AlanF_US AlanF_US 15 days ago, edited 15 days ago March 22, 2020 at 4:19 PM, edited March 22, 2020 at 4:20 PM link permalink

When I'm on a page that lists sentences, and I make a change to one of the listed sentences, I would like to stay on the list page and have its content preserved except for reflecting whatever change I've made. For instance, when I'm on a page that lists all sentences with a given tag, and I delete a sentence, I would ideally like the page to list all the sentences it did previously, with the exception of the one I deleted. Second-best would be for it to continue to list all the sentences it did previously, including the one I deleted. That wouldn't let me keep track of my progress, but at least it would let me continue to work through the page. But what happens currently is that when I delete a sentence from a list page, I am taken to the sentence page, which now says that the sentence is deleted. This is not useful information to me, and it breaks the flow of my work. I can use the browser's "Back" button, but now the content has to reload.

Currently, my way of working around this is to right-click on the link to each sentence that I want to work on and open it in a new tab (or window). I'd rather not have to do this.

I captured this in issue ticket 2227 ( https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2/issues/2227 ), but am curious whether anyone has any comments to offer here.

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TRANG TRANG 14 days ago March 22, 2020 at 8:05 PM link permalink

It's actually a known issue. You are not the only one annoyed by it :)

https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2/issues/1831

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AlanF_US AlanF_US 14 days ago March 23, 2020 at 12:51 AM link permalink

I see. Thanks.

deniko deniko 18 days ago March 19, 2020 at 2:58 PM link permalink

Is it possible to subscribe to all comments from a certain sentence that doesn't belong to me without leaving a comment under it?

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TRANG TRANG 17 days ago March 19, 2020 at 9:39 PM link permalink

Currently it's not possible. What is your use case?

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deniko deniko 17 days ago March 20, 2020 at 9:19 AM link permalink

I often find some discussions very interesting, but I don't feel like commenting because I have nothing to say. One recent example is this one:

https://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/8619497

But I happen upon something really interesting like this quite often. Sometimes I stumble upon an interesting question that is not answered yet, and I want to wait for the answer too. I just don't want to miss it, and I believe I mostly miss them.

For questions, especially if the question has been there for years, I sometimes add something like "I've got this question too" - it's not really constructive, but this way it gets a higher chance of being noticed, and it also "subscribes" me to that thread.

But I often don't have anything to contribute, but still interested in the discussion and don't want to miss anything, taking into account some discussions are happening at the speed of one post per month or something.

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PaulP PaulP 17 days ago March 20, 2020 at 12:25 PM link permalink

You could just add a simple comment like „Interesting discussion” and then you will be notified if the discussion goes on.

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deniko deniko 17 days ago March 20, 2020 at 12:29 PM link permalink

That's a cool workaround, but it doesn't contribute to the discussion at all, especially if there are more than one person who would like to "subscribe".

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Ricardo14 Ricardo14 16 days ago March 20, 2020 at 8:59 PM link permalink

For now, you can comment and delete it later. I think it`s the best approach for now

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deniko deniko 16 days ago March 20, 2020 at 9:26 PM link permalink

I believe if I delete my comment I won't receive notifications for that sentence.

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TRANG TRANG 16 days ago March 20, 2020 at 9:51 PM link permalink

You would indeed no longer receive notifications if you remove your comment.

I created an issue on GitHub:
https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2/issues/2223

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deniko deniko 16 days ago March 20, 2020 at 10:08 PM link permalink

Thanks a lot Trang.

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Ricardo14 Ricardo14 15 days ago March 22, 2020 at 2:09 AM link permalink

+1