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blay_paul blay_paul August 3, 2010 at 10:39 AM August 3, 2010 at 10:39 AM link permalink

Filtering comments and latest contributions by language.

I think there should be some changes made now that there are much more contributions being made in other languages than the original 'big three' (Japanese, English, French).

The "Latest contributions" display of the last ten sentences, for example, often only has five minutes worth of contributions (because they are being added so fast). Obviously it's a good thing that Tatoeba is so active, but it also makes it harder to do quality control. I'd like to be able to set Tatoeba to only display 'latest contributions' in English or Japanese - I usually won't know what's wrong with contributions in other languages anyway. The same applies to the latest comments made.

We could also do with some more moderators. English / Japanese has some _really_ active contributors *cough*CK*cough* and I can't keep up with checking the deletion requests.

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sysko sysko August 3, 2010 at 11:08 AM August 3, 2010 at 11:08 AM link permalink

for this the quick and dirty solution I see is to create a homepage for modos, which "last contribution in" "last comment on sentence in language " "last link/unlink", for the moment we only have this http://tatoeba.org/eng/contributions/index/eng
that's why this week we will discuss with Trang about starting a new version of tatoeba, more specific to contributor preference (language/status etc.) to take in account the multiplication of languages, and the increasing speed of contribution.

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blay_paul blay_paul August 3, 2010 at 11:33 AM August 3, 2010 at 11:33 AM link permalink

> for the moment we only have this http://tatoeba.org/eng/contributions/index/eng

Is that new? I don't remember seeing it before.

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sysko sysko August 3, 2010 at 11:38 AM August 3, 2010 at 11:38 AM link permalink

maybe 6 months ^^ you can view it by clicking on "view more" at the top of the "last contributions" :)

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Scott Scott August 3, 2010 at 3:16 PM August 3, 2010 at 3:16 PM link permalink

Never saw this before either. The only improvement I can see is adding this filter to the latest comments page.

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sysko sysko August 3, 2010 at 3:19 PM August 3, 2010 at 3:19 PM link permalink

sure :)

blay_paul blay_paul August 3, 2010 at 11:43 AM August 3, 2010 at 11:43 AM link permalink

Huh, never spotted the filter before. ^ ^;

sysko sysko August 3, 2010 at 10:50 AM August 3, 2010 at 10:50 AM link permalink

Pour les espaces fines insécables avant les ?!;: etc. afin que tout le monde gagne du temps, et la règle étant très souvent méconnue par les personnes apprenant le français, et même par les natifs (moi le premier jusqu'à il y a peu), et vu que sous certains systèmes d'exploitation, les insérer n'est pas trivial, je vais essayer de très rapidement faire un script qui toutes les semaines corrigent cette faute de typo dans les phrases françaises. Et quand j'aurais plus de temps je commencerai quelque chose de plus générale et en "temps réel" pour corriger/notifier ce genre de petits oublis.

xtofu80 xtofu80 August 2, 2010 at 9:33 PM August 2, 2010 at 9:33 PM link permalink

Feature request: Sentence requests
I am not sure how we could realize this, but often I come across a new word in Japanese, and I do not find any sentences about it. Trying to google for example sentences is really tough, because a lot of useless entries (headlines, etc.) pop up. On the other hand, I bet that a native speaker can come up with an example sentence easily. So maybe we could have something like a example sentence request for certain vocab for each (or at least for the major) languages. Thus, we could expand the corpus in a more meaningful way, filling the gaps which are still there.

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sysko sysko August 2, 2010 at 9:41 PM August 2, 2010 at 9:41 PM link permalink

yep sure it's on our todo list http://www.assembla.com/spaces/...ample-sentence
in a more general way our todo list is here http://www.assembla.com/spaces/tatoeba2/tickets

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Demetrius Demetrius August 2, 2010 at 11:01 PM August 2, 2010 at 11:01 PM link permalink

Yet another feature request. Can we add several tags at a time? I.e. «familiar;said to female». It should be relatively easy to implement, but it can save some time and semicolons are very unlikely to appear in tags anyway.

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sysko sysko August 2, 2010 at 11:42 PM August 2, 2010 at 11:42 PM link permalink

yep we can think about this, but I will try to soon add autocompletion on tag, this will already ease a lot the processing of adding tags

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sacredceltic sacredceltic August 2, 2010 at 11:50 PM August 2, 2010 at 11:50 PM link permalink

I'm interested in which code you intend to use for autocompletion because I'm also looking for one for myself as well. Do you intend to use some kind of open source plugin ?

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sysko sysko August 3, 2010 at 12:30 AM August 3, 2010 at 12:30 AM link permalink

in fact for the autocompletion we will use a dedicated autocompletion software, it's a gpl project, created by the guy behing shtooka project (but for the moment released nowhere), so we will need to adapt it a few it into our code. So if you want while doing it for tatoeba, I can try to write a short tutorial of how set up it.

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sacredceltic sacredceltic August 3, 2010 at 12:44 AM August 3, 2010 at 12:44 AM link permalink

une simple dscription fontionnelle sommaire m'irais très bien...Merci!

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sysko sysko August 3, 2010 at 12:50 AM August 3, 2010 at 12:50 AM link permalink

ok, pas de probleme, je tâche de fournir cela bientot

sacredceltic sacredceltic August 2, 2010 at 1:55 PM August 2, 2010 at 1:55 PM link permalink

the sentence nº337217 is really shameful and shouldn't be allowed here !

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sysko sysko August 2, 2010 at 1:59 PM August 2, 2010 at 1:59 PM link permalink

thanks for reporting, unfortunately I don't speak a single word of german, but google translate tell me it's about Jewish burning something like that, is it true, if yes I will delete it, I agree this kind of sentences shouldn't be present.

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sacredceltic sacredceltic August 2, 2010 at 2:06 PM August 2, 2010 at 2:06 PM link permalink

la traduction française est:#####[edited by modos]#####

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xtofu80 xtofu80 August 2, 2010 at 2:07 PM August 2, 2010 at 2:07 PM link permalink

And now the sentence survives on the wall...

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sacredceltic sacredceltic August 2, 2010 at 2:10 PM August 2, 2010 at 2:10 PM link permalink

yes, sorry... I have no objection for the administrator to destroy this...

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sysko sysko August 2, 2010 at 2:15 PM August 2, 2010 at 2:15 PM link permalink

done

xtofu80 xtofu80 August 2, 2010 at 2:04 PM August 2, 2010 at 2:04 PM link permalink

It was not written by a native German speaker, sounds rather like a machine translation. But I agree to sacredceltic, it is antisemitic and should be deleted as soon as possible.

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sysko sysko August 2, 2010 at 2:06 PM August 2, 2010 at 2:06 PM link permalink

ok, done, thanks.

blay_paul blay_paul August 1, 2010 at 11:45 PM August 1, 2010 at 11:45 PM link permalink

Moderators and typos / simple mistakes

Just a quick reminder that moderators are not _allowed_ to fix simple mistakes, typos or (dare I mention it) punctuation and capitalisation in owned sentences without permission.

The guideline is that if a moderator points out a mistake and two weeks later the sentence's owner has not replied then they can edit the sentence themselves.

However you _can_ give Permission in Advance for moderators to fix basic mistakes in your sentences without waiting for you.

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sysko sysko August 2, 2010 at 10:05 AM August 2, 2010 at 10:05 AM link permalink

+1, and if you do so and you don't want to be spammed, you can desactivate mail sending in your profile.

MUIRIEL MUIRIEL August 1, 2010 at 1:40 PM August 1, 2010 at 1:40 PM link permalink

Deutsch-Muttersprachler gesucht ;) :
http://tatoeba.org/deu/sentences/show/404132

blay_paul blay_paul July 30, 2010 at 7:12 PM July 30, 2010 at 7:12 PM link permalink

Thursday WWWJDIC example update

25 records deleted,
12 new records added.

Archibald Archibald July 30, 2010 at 3:27 PM July 30, 2010 at 3:27 PM link permalink

Y a-t-il une trace des phrases 440226 à 440230 ? Elles ont mystérieusement disparu et n'ont même pas d'historique. Si personne ne réussit à mettre la main dessus, tant pis, il suffira de les supprimer (pour l'instant, il est écrit « Click to edit » pour les 5…).

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sysko sysko July 30, 2010 at 4:43 PM July 30, 2010 at 4:43 PM link permalink

dans les backup, ce sont 5 phrases ajoutés dans 2 secondes d'intervalle avec un texte vide

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Archibald Archibald July 30, 2010 at 4:50 PM July 30, 2010 at 4:50 PM link permalink

Je pense que tu peux les effacer : il doit s'agir d'une erreur.

sysko sysko July 30, 2010 at 4:16 PM July 30, 2010 at 4:16 PM link permalink

je vais regarder ça, en effet c'est étrange, mais visiblement, elles seraient dans les backup, je repost quand j'aurai un peu plus d'info

sacredceltic sacredceltic July 29, 2010 at 9:16 PM July 29, 2010 at 9:16 PM link permalink

S'il est essentiel que les phrases commencent par une lettre capitale, pourquoi ne pas prévoir un algorithme qui se charge de capitaliser à la validation de la phrase ?
Ceci permettrait de gagner un temps important de correction.

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sysko sysko July 30, 2010 at 4:30 PM July 30, 2010 at 4:30 PM link permalink

la chose est prévue depuis longtemps, après comme pour beaucoup des fonctionnalités manquantes dans tatoeba (listés ici http://www.assembla.com/spaces/tatoeba2/tickets), cela est dû à un manque de temps, le "code" de tatoeba est principalement géré par moi et Trang, et malheureusement Tatoeba n'étant pas rentable, nous avons un travail a coté.
De plus une partie de notre temps "libre" que nous allouons à Tatoeba, est occupé à guider les nouveaux venus, répondre aux questions qu'on nous pose, éviter que des tensions se crées au sein de la communauté, vérifier (un peu) les phrases qui ont été ajoutées. On rajoute à cela le temps nécessaire pour répondre aux sollicitations externes, projets voulant réutiliser les données de tatoeba, et nous même essayer de trouver des projets susceptibles d'être intéressés par tatoeba.
Tout cela fait qu'il reste des milliers d'améliorations, petites ou grande, que nous n'avons pas encore eu le temps de faire.

De plus il y a quelque temps, j'ai corrigé automatiquement les capitalisations de l'ensemble des phrases françaises déjà présentes dans tatoeba, ce qui rend la tâche de faire un outil qui corrigerait automatiquement à l'insertion moins urgentes.

Mais je suis d'accord, qu'à terme nous mettrons en place un tel mécanisme.

blay_paul blay_paul July 29, 2010 at 9:24 PM July 29, 2010 at 9:24 PM link permalink

If it's essential that people participating in the Tatoeba Project breathe, why aren't they supplied with a medical ventilator?

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sacredceltic sacredceltic July 29, 2010 at 9:28 PM July 29, 2010 at 9:28 PM link permalink

Good idea, you must be breathless with all these dots and capital letters to constantly check everywhere !