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Saney Saney January 3, 2012 January 3, 2012 at 2:05:44 PM UTC link Permalink

Are there any vegans here? I started a list called "negotiation for a vegan meal", which can be tiring even if you use your mother tongue. Feel free to add and translate.

http://tatoeba.org/deu/sentences_lists/show/862

Sind hier noch andere Veganer_innen? Ich habe die Liste "negotiation for a vegan meal" (Verhandlung über eine vegane Mahlzeit) angefangen, was selbst in der Muttersprache ziemlich schwer sein kann. Viel Spaß beim Hinzufügen und Übersetzen.

duran duran January 1, 2012 January 1, 2012 at 1:54:09 PM UTC link Permalink

Hi everybody.
I hope may God give you and your families health, happiness and money in 2012.
Happy New Years.

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Scott Scott January 2, 2012 January 2, 2012 at 4:19:45 PM UTC link Permalink

I also wish everyone a happy new year and best health to the tatoeba server.

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duran duran January 2, 2012 January 2, 2012 at 4:34:42 PM UTC link Permalink

Thank you, Scott. I wish the same things for you. Happy New Year.

Eldad Eldad January 2, 2012 January 2, 2012 at 12:56:07 PM UTC link Permalink

Mutlu yeni yıllar, Duran.
Wish you a successful new year, with much health, happiness and prosperity. Take care!

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duran duran January 2, 2012 January 2, 2012 at 4:31:26 PM UTC link Permalink

שנה טובה.תודה. Thank you, El. The most important thing for me is health. Everything you lost can be gained again. But I can't say the same thing for health. I tried to write in your language. But it's as difficult as Chinese.How is it written, from right to left or from left to right? I wish the same things for you. Take care.

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Eldad Eldad January 2, 2012 January 2, 2012 at 4:34:38 PM UTC link Permalink

Excellent, Duran. It was written perfectly! It's written, as Arabic, from right to left, and it appears properly on the screen here.

Yes, you are so right about health. It is the most precious thing for us, actually. May we always enjoy good health, and happiness. Many thanks, Duran, and have a splendid year!

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duran duran January 2, 2012 January 2, 2012 at 4:41:04 PM UTC link Permalink

Thank you for your wishes again. I hope We will live in a healthy way. Take care of your health. Bye till next time.:)

Vortarulo Vortarulo January 1, 2012 January 1, 2012 at 5:52:19 PM UTC link Permalink

DIS chu' DatIvjaj SoH je. :)

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duran duran January 1, 2012 January 1, 2012 at 7:49:46 PM UTC link Permalink

Danke.Ich weiß nicht Deutsch. Frohes Neues Jahr. Passen Sie auf sich auf. Good-bye.
I hope the sentences above are correct.

alexmarcelo alexmarcelo January 1, 2012 January 1, 2012 at 5:46:56 PM UTC link Permalink

Obrigado, Duran!
Feliz 2012 a todos!

Felix sit annus MMXII! Gratias omnibus ago.

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duran duran January 1, 2012 January 1, 2012 at 7:39:48 PM UTC link Permalink

Hi,alexmarcelo. I think you are from Portugal and you are Portuguese.I don't know anything to tell you
in Portuguese so I can say only OBRIGADO.
Happy New year. I hope 2012 will be a lucky year for you. Take care.

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alexmarcelo alexmarcelo January 1, 2012 January 1, 2012 at 7:42:12 PM UTC link Permalink

Actually, I'm from Brazil, but we do speak Portuguese here! :)
Cuide-se, amigo!

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duran duran January 1, 2012 January 1, 2012 at 7:58:54 PM UTC link Permalink

Eu entendi. Obrigado. Cuide-se, amigo!

I hope the sentences above is correct.

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alexmarcelo alexmarcelo January 1, 2012 January 1, 2012 at 8:02:06 PM UTC link Permalink

They're perfect!

sacredceltic sacredceltic January 1, 2012 January 1, 2012 at 5:39:29 PM UTC link Permalink

Bonne année à tous !
Feliĉan jaron al ĉiuj!

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duran duran January 1, 2012 January 1, 2012 at 7:20:31 PM UTC link Permalink

Teşekkürler, sacredceltic.
Feliz Año Nuevo!
Happy New Year!
Mutlu Yeni Yıllar.
Take care, I hope 2012 will bring you happiness, health and money.

Shishir Shishir January 1, 2012 January 1, 2012 at 3:47:50 PM UTC link Permalink

Mutlu yıllar Duran!
Happy New Year everybody!! :) ¡Feliz Año Nuevo! Urte berri on! Feliz Ano Novo!

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duran duran January 1, 2012 January 1, 2012 at 7:16:14 PM UTC link Permalink

Teşekkür ederim,Shishir.
Feliz Año Nuevo.
Mutlu yıllar.
Happy New Year.

sysko sysko January 1, 2012 January 1, 2012 at 2:06:51 PM UTC link Permalink

Happy new year to you too Duran and everyone

Bonne Année 新年快乐

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duran duran January 1, 2012 January 1, 2012 at 2:38:23 PM UTC link Permalink

Thank you, sysko. The same to you.
Bonne Année,
新年快乐.

PeterR PeterR January 1, 2012 January 1, 2012 at 7:07:36 PM UTC link Permalink

What happened to tatoeba yesterday? All texts had vanished---a technical hitch or was that just my problem ?

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sysko sysko January 1, 2012 January 1, 2012 at 7:38:23 PM UTC link Permalink

Yep I was going to talk about it. The database server has stopped yesterday and for some reason didn't restarted. So as the website server itself was still there, Tatoeba was accessible but with no data. And as I was away from any internet connection yesterday, The problem has last enough long to be viewed.

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PeterR PeterR January 3, 2012 January 3, 2012 at 10:27:47 AM UTC link Permalink

What a relief! I was worried when I saw the empty pages, felt deserted and actually feared for the survival of tatoeba data.

allmarangie allmarangie December 30, 2011 December 30, 2011 at 11:52:56 PM UTC link Permalink

Is it possible to produce a list of the latest additions in any one language, I can't seem to see how?

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marcelostockle marcelostockle December 30, 2011 December 30, 2011 at 11:58:41 PM UTC link Permalink

you can use
Browse -> Browse by language -> Sentences in: #My language# -> Show Translations in: All Languages

Scott Scott December 31, 2011 December 31, 2011 at 12:16:00 AM UTC link Permalink

Or just click on the flag on the main page.

sysko sysko January 1, 2012 January 1, 2012 at 1:43:59 PM UTC link Permalink

or menu , browse => by language then choose the language you want , they are ordered by adding time

wallebot wallebot December 29, 2011 December 29, 2011 at 8:50:55 PM UTC link Permalink

Sentences without flag
http://tatoeba.org/spa/sentences/of_user/aztran
Turkish?
http://tatoeba.org/spa/sentence...fferent/page:5
Turkish?

How find sentence by user without flag?
http://tatoeba.org/spa/sentence...Tlustulimu/epo

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jakov jakov December 30, 2011 December 30, 2011 at 8:42:59 PM UTC link Permalink

Finding sentences without flags by user is missing! Please ask Sysko to implement it!

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wallebot wallebot December 30, 2011 December 30, 2011 at 10:44:18 PM UTC link Permalink

This is a goog thing.

But a write a private about lovetina spammer and I don't have answer for now.

Sysko, if you read this.
I like Finding sentences without flags by user.

Siento no escribir bien en ingles.

Merci beaucoup Sysko :)
PD:http://tatoeba.org/spa/user/profile/lovetina

CK CK December 24, 2011, edited October 30, 2019 December 24, 2011 at 9:00:07 PM UTC, edited October 30, 2019 at 5:35:39 AM UTC link Permalink

[not needed anymore- removed by CK]

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sacredceltic sacredceltic December 30, 2011 December 30, 2011 at 2:44:41 PM UTC link Permalink

*** Warning: non-natives, fake accounts and tag manipulations ***

The lists provided by CK are deceitful for the following reasons:

1) It is titled "Untranslated English Sentences Owned by Native Speakers", although many of these sentences are owned by non-native speakers such as Swift, who is an Icelandic native speaker, not English native.
Somehow, CK decrees who is native and who is not, even for languages he doesn't speak...

2) His list of native speakers include fake accounts, such as CM.
Fake accounts are used by various users in order to abuse other users as to their nativeness (some obviously find this very funny to believe they outsmart people...) or to "OK" tag their own sentences by "natives" which are actually themselves, in order to bypass the rule that advanced contributors and corpus maintainers should not "OK" tag their own sentences.
I caught different corpus maintainers red-handed, having "OK" tagged their own sentences, even though they contained mistakes such as here http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentence...comment-133815
or here http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentence...comment-119088

3) the list of native speakers that CK maintains here http://a4esl.com/temporary/tatoeba/native.html is also deceitful.
For example, for all what he says, rene1596 is not a French native speaker.

I recommend to all users that they should not trust these lists nor any tags that are pinned onto sentences, since they are manipulated.
People should not trust profile details but rather analyse the proficiency of contributors based on their history and their ability to hold complex debates in their own language.
You may find jakov's script http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/101326 useful, since it shows the statistics of sentences for each user.
This is not guarantee though, since a few contributors own thousands of sentences in languages they are not natives in (such as Scott and Swift)
A good way to spot non-natives is that they tend to avoid long, complex sentences.

I also advise people to use jakov's script that enables to visualise sentence's timelines http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/121207
This enables to view the different manipulations of tags that have taken place on the sentences and spot the abuses.

Internet is a wild world. Beware!

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sysko sysko December 30, 2011 December 30, 2011 at 4:49:31 PM UTC link Permalink

I don't have the times to answers to all your points, sorry for this, but for the OK tags you've quoted, at least for these two examples I don't think there's an abuse, let me explain why

As you can see the sentence was added at "unknow time", it's a sentence from the takana corpus, so not added by CK

CK has tagged them OK and then has owned it , because at the opposite of tags, the owner is always displayed , in search results, in random sentences etc. so if someone trust CK, he know he can trust the sentence (so after up to everyone to trust those they want)

So though it may be misleading as now CK is displayed as the owner, he was not the original author, and by consequence can to my opinion legitimately tag it as OK.

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sacredceltic sacredceltic December 30, 2011 December 30, 2011 at 4:59:39 PM UTC link Permalink

I don't OK my own sentences or those I adopted. I think it is a perversion of tags and of the spirit of the service.

These tags having loose definitions, imposed without any debate by a handful of would-be dictators, have been manipulated by them over and over again.
In my view, they are entirely discredited.

>so after up to everyone to trust those they want

So we agree. These tags serve no purpose anymore.

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sysko sysko December 30, 2011 December 30, 2011 at 5:13:35 PM UTC link Permalink

Actually there was a debate one year ago something like that about the tags, when Trang chose Swift to be the moderator that will take care of the tag clean-up

After as you said yourself, those you consider as being dictator are only a minority, so there's no reason to be fatalist and declare the tags dead. If you think there's a need to (re)open the debate about rules we all (or a majority among the trusted users) agree, especially for this OK tag, I would not stop you from starting a thread about this.

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sacredceltic sacredceltic December 30, 2011 December 30, 2011 at 7:39:50 PM UTC link Permalink

Clean-up doesn't mean one-man definition, unknown to others...

sacredceltic sacredceltic December 30, 2011 December 30, 2011 at 3:07:40 PM UTC link Permalink

Another way to spot non-natives, is that when they insert long complex sentences, they don't insert them as translations of existing sentences but as stand-alone, because they copied them most of the time from book quotes or sentences they found on the Internet...
The more actual translations a contributor created in a given language, the more probable he is a native speaker of that language...

Former member Former member December 29, 2011 December 29, 2011 at 1:47:43 PM UTC link Permalink

http://tatoeba.org/eng/user/profile/lovetina sent me spam messages! can you please change its contribution level to a spammer?

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wallebot wallebot December 29, 2011 December 29, 2011 at 8:38:26 PM UTC link Permalink

She Send me a message to me too.

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al_ex_an_der al_ex_an_der December 29, 2011 December 29, 2011 at 9:37:54 PM UTC link Permalink

She (or may be he) likes all of us. :))))

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Former member Former member December 31, 2011 December 31, 2011 at 8:15:09 AM UTC link Permalink

no! it just want men to have relationship! tatoeba is not a dating site! it don't love you all, they're just working as robots! they send that message to everyone with the scammail provider (Yahoo) email address.

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marcelostockle marcelostockle December 31, 2011 December 31, 2011 at 8:24:41 AM UTC link Permalink

love it's love for a robot or a person, in Tatoeba or anywhere : )

And who would have thought justinbieber was the one behind all these spam attacks.

al_ex_an_der al_ex_an_der December 31, 2011 December 31, 2011 at 3:36:17 PM UTC link Permalink

Hi Justin, our love you will only get, if you add some nice sentences. Until now you are still waiting on the starting line. Don't you want to try to come from 0 to 100?

wallebot wallebot December 28, 2011 December 28, 2011 at 2:27:13 PM UTC link Permalink

Alguien ha recibido un privado de un usuario/a que empieza por love*?

Me ha escrito y ha dicho que me encanta lo que cuento en mi perfil. Mi perfil no tiene nada escrito....

Me ha dado su email y me ha pedido que le escriba, entre otras cosas.

Somebody had receipt a mail like this?

Mis disculpas si he tomado a un usuario como spamer por error.

Gracias.
Sorry for don`t write in english or esperanto.

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Demetrius Demetrius December 29, 2011 December 29, 2011 at 3:20:16 PM UTC link Permalink

> Sorry for don`t write in english or esperanto.
"You may write in any language you want. In Tatoeba, all languages are equal."

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al_ex_an_der al_ex_an_der December 29, 2011 December 29, 2011 at 4:29:24 PM UTC link Permalink

Esta es una de las ventajas de Tatoeba.
Siempre llegamos a una solución. :)

al_ex_an_der al_ex_an_der December 28, 2011 December 28, 2011 at 2:47:05 PM UTC link Permalink

Pluraj el ni ricevis similajn privatajn mesaĝojn. Rigardu la komentojn antaŭ 3 - 6 tagoj. Ne respondu tiajn mesaĝojn! Donu la nomon kaj retadreson de la uzanto, kiu sendis la mesaĝon, al la administrantoj.

Several of us have got a similar message. Look at the comments 3 - 6 days ago. Don't answer such messages. Give the name and e-mail adress of the user, who send you the message, to the administrator.

Sorry for not writing in Spanish.

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wallebot wallebot December 28, 2011 December 28, 2011 at 5:10:39 PM UTC link Permalink

Thank. I do it.

I understand you very well. :)

marcelostockle marcelostockle December 29, 2011 December 29, 2011 at 6:08:22 AM UTC link Permalink

could anyone that understands this language
http://tatoeba.org/eng/contribu...of_user/aztran
notify the user about his flags?

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selimcan selimcan December 29, 2011 December 29, 2011 at 10:27:09 AM UTC link Permalink

I did it.

Zzeynep Zzeynep December 28, 2011 December 28, 2011 at 1:21:53 PM UTC link Permalink

hello I must find a sentence which is contained explanation about an issue. Could you give me a sentence?

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al_ex_an_der al_ex_an_der December 28, 2011 December 28, 2011 at 1:30:28 PM UTC link Permalink

Could you reword your question, please. I have no guess what you intend to say.

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Zzeynep Zzeynep December 28, 2011 December 28, 2011 at 2:46:17 PM UTC link Permalink

I think that I can't reword so I can give an example : -When the ones are happy, they don't relaize their mistakes. - Could you give me some details? -People ignore their mistakes when they are happy because they only think the moment which they live.