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marcelostockle marcelostockle September 19, 2011 September 19, 2011 at 6:29:30 AM UTC link Permalink

I was moved the moment I found about this project. Since I was a child I wanted to build something like this, a massive net of sentences translated in all languages, that would contribute to make the internet a place where anyone can learn any language in the world, and contribute to this giant web.
I think since internet was developed, a project like this was would mean a huge step in the way we humans live together in this little world. Globalization is still an early event, and now we happen to have the best tools to make it right, through communication and understanding.

God knows you are doing something wonderful for the world.

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sacredceltic sacredceltic September 19, 2011 September 19, 2011 at 8:14:36 AM UTC link Permalink

Oui vraiment ! Bienvenue !

CK CK September 17, 2011, edited October 30, 2019 September 17, 2011 at 3:07:03 PM UTC, edited October 30, 2019 at 5:26:38 AM UTC link Permalink

[not needed anymore- removed by CK]

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sacredceltic sacredceltic September 17, 2011 September 17, 2011 at 5:43:08 PM UTC link Permalink

I do not authorize you to export my avatar outside of Tatoeba...

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jakov jakov September 18, 2011 September 18, 2011 at 9:52:09 AM UTC link Permalink

Just for you to think about it ;)
http://www.google.at/search?q=s...eltic&tbm=isch

And yes, i think we should be able to at least opt out of publishing the avatars. It would be better though to opt in to publishing them with the default being limited to tatoeba users only.

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sacredceltic sacredceltic September 18, 2011 September 18, 2011 at 9:46:33 PM UTC link Permalink

Yes, I subscribed to Google as I did to Tatoeba and chose to load my avatar in different other services where I gave my explicit consent. That doesn't mean I subscribe to anything that I'm not even aware of or that hasn't requested my explicit consent...

La loi française "Informatique et libertés", spécifie très clairement qu'il est strictement interdit de détenir des fichiers ou bases de données de personnes non déclarés à la Commission de supervision (la CNIL) et auxquels les personnes ont accès pour pouvoir faire supprimer ou rectifier toute information les concernants.
Je ne connais pas le site de CK, je n'y ai pas souscrit, je n'ai pas donné mon consentement et on ne me l'a d'ailleurs pas demandé. Enfin, cette base de donnée n'est pas déclarée à la CNIL. Bref, cette initiative est totalement illégale et je m'y oppose de toutes mes forces.

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jakov jakov September 19, 2011 September 19, 2011 at 9:32:26 AM UTC link Permalink

Le chosece que je voilait dire avec ca c'est que google also scans tatoeba and finds images including your avatar. The link doesnt work for me anymore,it was supposed to show your tatoeba avatar as the first result. However je voilait dire, que google ne te demande pas si tu le veut, ca n'a rien a faire avec si tu t'enregiste chez google. Google même fait des differentes versions de quelques images plus grands pour pouvoir les montrer. Donc, je pense que c'est pas si grave comme CK n'a que fait des links à l'image de tatoeba.

Quand même je me range à l'avis de toi concernant qu'il faut faire plus d'attention concernant la protection de la vie privée sûr tatoeba.

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sacredceltic sacredceltic September 19, 2011 September 19, 2011 at 9:49:27 AM UTC link Permalink

>Donc, je pense que c'est pas si grave comme CK n'a que fait des links à l'image de tatoeba.

Je ne veux pas savoir ce qu'il fait. Ce n'est pas mon problème. Je ne vais pas passer ma vie à le surveiller avec son « Tatoeba bis » dont il fixe tout seul les règles sur lesquelles il dirige ensuite les utilisateurs de Tatoeba, sans demander aucune autorisation, ce qui lui permet de fixer ses propres règles sans en débattre avec qui que ce soit. C'est du "bullying" et rien d'autre.
Il n'a pas le droit de détenir des informations me concernant, un point c'est tout. Et son affirmation que la licence Creative Commons de Tatoeba concernerait les informations personnelles des contributeurs, dont leurs photos est une absurdité. La licence ne concerne que les phrases. Il a juste le droit, et même l'obligation, de mentionner le nom du propriétaire et l'auteur des phrases, qui seuls font partie des contributions
CK pense qu'il a tous les droits d'imposer ses règles, mais ce n'est pas le cas. Je n'ai aucun lien juridique d'aucune sorte avec lui et il doit apprendre à respecter les gens et leurs libertés fondamentales.
Le monde ne fonctionne pas comme son village.

sacredceltic sacredceltic September 19, 2011 September 19, 2011 at 10:22:10 AM UTC link Permalink

>google also scans tatoeba and finds images including your avatar

Je sais cela et je l'ai déjà déploré, car je pensais que le fait d'indiquer que notre profil n'était pas public permettait justement d'éviter cette indexation.
Mais c'est un problème différent :
Je souhaiterais que mon profil ne soit pas indexé par les moteurs de recherche, mais si ce n'est pas possible, j'ai quand même accepté qu'il soit sur Tatoeba. Dans le cas d'autres sites "dérivés", je n'ai rien accepté du tout et je ne le ferai pas.

Nero Nero September 19, 2011 September 19, 2011 at 5:16:56 AM UTC link Permalink

You may use my avatar.

alexmarcelo alexmarcelo September 17, 2011 September 17, 2011 at 8:02:35 AM UTC link Permalink

http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/1110954

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Shishir Shishir September 18, 2011 September 18, 2011 at 3:54:35 PM UTC link Permalink

Thank you all! ^_^

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hayastan hayastan September 18, 2011 September 18, 2011 at 8:17:57 PM UTC link Permalink

Esperamos que hayas pasado un lindo cumple Shishir!! de paso te dejo un link de una frase de Eldad
http://tatoeba.org/spa/sentence...10543#comments
Lo volví loco :) primero de dije que llevaba acento, luego que no.

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Shishir Shishir September 18, 2011 September 18, 2011 at 8:24:15 PM UTC link Permalink

¡¡Muchas gracias!! :D jaja pobrecito :P por cierto, llevabas razón la segunda vez, es sin acento :P

CK CK September 17, 2011, edited October 30, 2019 September 17, 2011 at 10:05:50 AM UTC, edited October 30, 2019 at 5:26:30 AM UTC link Permalink

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sacredceltic sacredceltic September 17, 2011 September 17, 2011 at 4:38:38 PM UTC link Permalink

2 des meilleures journées d'inscription de l'histoire dans les 4 derniers jours...on dirait que ça s'accélère !

Bienvenue à tous les nouveaux !

qdii qdii January 25, 2011 January 25, 2011 at 8:21:56 PM UTC link Permalink

Congratulation to esperanto :D

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ludoviko ludoviko September 17, 2011 September 17, 2011 at 12:43:20 AM UTC link Permalink

Tiam, fine de januaro, estis 70 000 frazoj en Esperanto, ĉu?

TRANG TRANG November 14, 2009 November 14, 2009 at 10:11:46 AM UTC link Permalink

I hope people will like this new version.

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sysko sysko November 14, 2009 November 14, 2009 at 12:33:54 PM UTC link Permalink

We all hope so :p

Demetrius Demetrius September 16, 2011 September 16, 2011 at 8:40:19 AM UTC link Permalink

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CK CK September 15, 2011, edited October 30, 2019 September 15, 2011 at 5:20:22 PM UTC, edited October 30, 2019 at 5:26:11 AM UTC link Permalink

[not needed anymore- removed by CK]

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sacredceltic sacredceltic September 15, 2011 September 15, 2011 at 5:30:24 PM UTC link Permalink

I insist again that names should be tokenized and random names should be displayed.
From any point of view, I can't see the point of storing hundreds or thousands of "X killed Y" sentences in the future...except cluttering the system.

As I earlier explained, the tokenization process could be automated, with the service automatically detecting near duplicates and dynamically generating names lists for random display in each language.

That would additionaly provide more natural sentences with properly identifiable names for each language.
In some cases, and according to languages, some names cannot be identified as a person's name, a place name, a brand name or any other thing...leading to misunderstanding and mistranslations.

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slomox slomox September 16, 2011 September 16, 2011 at 4:07:06 PM UTC link Permalink

Currently we have 12 "* killed *" sentences out of total 1,064,858. If we extrapolate that to the point where we have 100,000 "* killed *" sentences, we'll have 8.87 billion sentences total. The cluttering will probably always stay relative.

And if a name cannot be identified as being a person's name in context, then translating it as a name of a place or brand isn't a mistranslation. In "I love Paris." Paris can be a city, a first name, a last name, an asteroid, a movie, a ship, a plant etc. Translating it as either is neither a misunderstanding (our sentences stay without context) nor a mistranslation.

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sacredceltic sacredceltic September 16, 2011 September 16, 2011 at 4:25:11 PM UTC link Permalink

>Currently we have 12 "* killed *" sentences out of total 1,064,858.

As usual, you're considering only English...why am I not surprised ?...
So this is to be multiplied by the number of languages, or, alternatively, you have to measure it against the number of English sentences only, which is 200.000 and not 1000.000...
It's funny how English is imposed as the standard in everything on Tatoeba, with thousands of "Tom and Mary" sentences having recently been artificially injected in the corpus to impose English standard names as a "fait accompli", ahead of any debate within the community...
The usual anglo-saxon and anglophile bullying methods...No, I 'm definitely not surprised...

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slomox slomox September 16, 2011 September 16, 2011 at 4:52:48 PM UTC link Permalink

Di smeckt Engelsch nich? Snack ik Platt. Schall ik di seggen, wo dat an liggt, dat di dat nich wunnert? Dat liggt dor an, dat du dat löven _wullt_. All dien Denken dreiht sik dor üm. Dor liggt dat an.

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sacredceltic sacredceltic September 16, 2011 September 16, 2011 at 5:25:45 PM UTC link Permalink

The fact that I like English or not is irrelevant to this debate, really...I do not dislike English. I dislike "la pensée unique".
Languages are not there to be "liked" but to be useful. They're tools, diverse tools, representing diverse habits reflecting diverse cultures.
Names and naming conventions are part of languages and bear culture.
Tatoeba users should not be fooled into blindly translating popcorn sentences from a single foreign culture, but, alas, most of them do, instead of inserting their own cultural sentences, with their own names and naming etiquettes.

Tatoeba users: Rebel! Don't get overwhelmed by the "Tom and Mary"-type sentences and express YOURSELVES and your diverse cultures, instead of mimicking others! Don't be ashamed to be yourselves and do not trust CK's Bible as the official religion of Tatoeba, because it is not...("Standardize all names to somethng like Tom, and use the name Mary, if a second name is needed, then John if a third name is needed.)
These precepts are NOT (YET, and NEVER if it is up to me...) part of Tatoeba's policy!
Tatoeba should reflect ALL languages and cultures, not merely hold translations of a single one.

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yujin yujin September 16, 2011 September 16, 2011 at 6:00:26 PM UTC link Permalink

I agree with Sacredceltic.
Here is one small fact - when someone translates sentences from Source to Target language, the syntax of source language in certain degree affects the syntax of target language. Even in professional translators it happens. As we don't have here 100% professionals and 100% coverage of proofing, it is better to encourage speakers to practice both-way translations here.

CK CK September 15, 2011, edited October 30, 2019 September 15, 2011 at 12:25:40 PM UTC, edited October 30, 2019 at 5:26:03 AM UTC link Permalink

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sysko sysko September 15, 2011 September 15, 2011 at 12:36:14 PM UTC link Permalink

actually I run the script when I have time, as I'm doing it on my personnal laptop, which is during weekend, and it use the export

to elimitate the duplicates more quickly, no solution until the new version.

sacredceltic sacredceltic September 15, 2011 September 15, 2011 at 3:20:35 PM UTC link Permalink

What's the point of counting the duplicates at each export?

boracasli boracasli September 15, 2011 September 15, 2011 at 12:06:05 AM UTC link Permalink

anti-facebook. tatoeba needs twitter.

CK CK September 11, 2011, edited October 30, 2019 September 11, 2011 at 4:41:05 AM UTC, edited October 30, 2019 at 5:25:55 AM UTC link Permalink

[not needed anymore- removed by CK]

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boracasli boracasli September 14, 2011 September 14, 2011 at 11:56:45 PM UTC link Permalink

Martha is a native speaker of Chinese (Traditional).

boracasli boracasli September 14, 2011 September 14, 2011 at 11:58:48 PM UTC link Permalink

and also


rus - Demetrius [Native Speaker]
bel - Demetrius [Native Speaker]
fin - ondo [Native Speaker]

ok?