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sysko sysko December 16, 2009 at 1:31 AM December 16, 2009 at 1:31 AM link permalink

Find a work around for those adding in right to left languages (such as arabic)
and who get a strange characters order (see http://tatoeba.fr/eng/sentences/show/340400 for an example)

just edit your sentences and this ‏ to end, it's the xml entities to indicate switching writing direction :), for some strange reason, independant of Tatoeba, I've got the same problem in different text editor while trying to repeat this bug, this control character is sometimes missing

I will try to find quickly a automatic way to get it work properly

Luai_lashire Luai_lashire December 15, 2009 at 2:00 AM December 15, 2009 at 2:00 AM link permalink

I've only just joined a few minutes ago.... I have favorited several sentences, but my profile still says I have 0 favorite sentences. Does it just take a while for them to show up, or is there some problem?

Also, what does it mean to "adopt" a sentence?
Sorry for newbish questions, but your site lacks a good "about" page that introduces all this to newcomers. :/

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sysko sysko December 15, 2009 at 10:16 AM December 15, 2009 at 10:16 AM link permalink

adopt means this sentence now belong to you, and you will be the only one allowed to make change on it, and you will receive email notification ( if set in your profile )if someone comments on it

that way we're sure that they will be no "war of edit" or people editing too much sentences

for favorite, you will soon seen them :)

have you checked http://tatoeba.fr/eng/pages/help ? ( in bottom right) ? (maybe not so much visible)

fajro fajro December 8, 2009 at 3:07 AM December 8, 2009 at 3:07 AM link permalink

Tatoeba should use a license without "by" like CC0:
http://creativecommons.org/about/cc0

Attribution is unnecessary and unpractical.

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sysko sysko December 8, 2009 at 10:06 AM December 8, 2009 at 10:06 AM link permalink

in fact it's only legal problem european law say one can't abandon his moral against a text, except 50 years after his death, 70 years in France, so CC0 can't be choosen
anyway we're looking if there's any problem to go to a less restrictive licence such as CC-BY, we will be sure at the end of the week

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fajro fajro December 8, 2009 at 12:32 PM December 8, 2009 at 12:32 PM link permalink

I like cc-sa (is almost Public Domain!) http://creativecommons.org/licenses/sa/1.0/ sadly "retired"

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sysko sysko December 8, 2009 at 12:43 PM December 8, 2009 at 12:43 PM link permalink

unfortunately as explain in my last message, due to european/french author right, attribution is mandatory and CC0 is still not clear whether it works in france or not, so we prefer to be safe, regardin that make law pursuit for copyright violiation is "fashion" in france ...

so the most "free" we can do is "CC-BY" ( for the moment my research hasn't show anything against it, but I prefer to check juridiction of main countries), when CC0 will be clearer regarding countries which has the notion of moral right (basically all european countries) , for further information, you can read the CC discussions pages, there, you can find more precise technical explanation :)

sysko sysko December 8, 2009 at 10:15 AM December 8, 2009 at 10:15 AM link permalink

*his moral right
that means globally that we must attribute works of contributors, as we're based in europe and a major part of contributions (except takana corpus original sentences) after some internal discussion we've realized that maybe CC-BY can be used, as Tatoeba MUST attribute works, after if people want to reuse the contributions without attributing it to original contributors, that will be their problem (in fact no problem as long as they don't reuse without attributing sentences or corrections from european contributors or other countries where public domain is different from US definition)
so the licence is only to make things clear

by the way, we wouldn't have take a long time to choose a licence or so if there were no threats nor possible juridical problem, I far prefer coding than looking into law books

sysko sysko December 12, 2009 at 1:17 PM December 12, 2009 at 1:17 PM link permalink

the content will now be licenced under CC-BY 2.0 FR, which is for the moment, the less restrictive we can do according to european law

tatoerique tatoerique December 7, 2009 at 9:37 PM December 7, 2009 at 9:37 PM link permalink

Is this a bug? When I do something like this:

-Add a new translation in a sentence for a language which were not present (e.g. Spanish).
-Press "show another" or go to another sentence to edit.
-Do a search for the sentence I edited in the first place, because I want to modify the Spanish translation.

The Spanish translation does not appear, and actually the sentence number of the sentence found does not match. If I add a Spanish translation to this, the sentence becomes duplicated (all languages). It occurs, for instance, in sentences 339047 and 339048.

Is this normal? Thanks in advance.

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TRANG TRANG December 8, 2009 at 10:07 PM December 8, 2009 at 10:07 PM link permalink

Hmm, well, if I understood what you did, it's not a bug.

There is one thing in my todo list that I really should do (if only I had more time), and that is : hide all the translations when someone clicks on "Translate". Then people will probably understand better that they are not translating a group of sentence, but only one particular sentence.

So in your case, the sentence 339047 was a translation of an English sentence:

Can you deliver this? <-> Le importaría repartir esto?

When you added your translation, you also INDIRECTLY translated the Japanese sentence. Because initially you had:

配達してもらえませんか。<-> Can you deliver this?

And when you added your translation, here's what happened:

配達してもらえませんか。<-> Can you deliver this? <-> Le importaría repartir esto?

(See? Indirect translation.)

But when you did your search, you probably searched the Japanese sentence. And the search results only display sentences and their DIRECT translations.

So, you added a translation to the Japanese sentence, and the whole thing became linked this way:

Le importaría repartir esto? <-> 配達してもらえませんか。<-> Can you deliver this? <-> Le importaría repartir esto?

And now you have to know that when you BROWSE a sentence, we display both the direct AND the indirect translations. Which is why you will see two Spanish translations for http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/121527.
One is the direct translation. The other is the indirect translation.

Hopefully I understood properly your problem and that my explanation was somewhat clear...

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tatoerique tatoerique December 10, 2009 at 8:13 PM December 10, 2009 at 8:13 PM link permalink

Ok, I'm sorry if I caused trouble. I didn't know exactly how the direct & indirect translations work. I'll be more careful from now on. Thanks for the explanation.

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sysko sysko December 11, 2009 at 9:14 AM December 11, 2009 at 9:14 AM link permalink

anyway you're not the first and you're not the last :P
it's true that is not something which directly come to mind, the difference between direct and undirect translation

sysko sysko December 7, 2009 at 1:56 AM December 7, 2009 at 1:56 AM link permalink

Which will be the first, french to reach 26 000 sentences or chinese to reach 3000 ?
(congratulations for spanish contributors and esperanto, they have reach 2000 and 100 sentences ! :D )

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TRANG TRANG December 8, 2009 at 9:22 PM December 8, 2009 at 9:22 PM link permalink

Apparently Chinese reached 3000 first =P

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sysko sysko December 9, 2009 at 12:39 AM December 9, 2009 at 12:39 AM link permalink

yep, wow 300+ sentences added today, congratulations to our hardcores translators in french / chinese and spanish,

Barbiche0 Barbiche0 November 14, 2009 at 2:00 PM November 14, 2009 at 2:00 PM link permalink

Hey all, here's a bug report :

- can't set up my birthday date ;
- can't create paragraphs in the field "something about you".
- sentences owned counter seems to have a glitch -> it displays 10 instead of 215 on my profile. Seems like it only counts the ten lasts contributions since i contributed far more than 10 times at my last connection...

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TRANG TRANG November 14, 2009 at 2:13 PM November 14, 2009 at 2:13 PM link permalink

Thanks, we'll look into this :)

It probably won't be fixed before Tuesday though. As far as I'm concerned I have a midterm exam on Monday.

sysko sysko November 14, 2009 at 2:21 PM November 14, 2009 at 2:21 PM link permalink

the last bug is known i'm on the way to fix it :)

sysko sysko November 21, 2009 at 12:51 AM November 21, 2009 at 12:51 AM link permalink

only the birthdate bug remains from now

TRANG TRANG November 30, 2009 at 12:51 PM November 30, 2009 at 12:51 PM link permalink

You can set your birthdate now. There's just the problem that anyone who hasn't set their birthdate is born on November 30, 1999... :D

nanbanjin nanbanjin November 28, 2009 at 10:59 PM November 28, 2009 at 10:59 PM link permalink

Is there any way to correct the romaji in Japanese sentence? I suppose it is computer generated and sometimes it is only weird but on some occasions it is painfully wrong.

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TRANG TRANG November 29, 2009 at 5:16 PM November 29, 2009 at 5:16 PM link permalink

No, sorry, there is no way to correct the romaji, at least for now. If you see a mistake, you can post a comment and I'll see if I can do something about it.

You can have more explanations here : http://blog.tatoeba.org/2009/02...anization.html

vinhan vinhan November 25, 2009 at 11:23 PM November 25, 2009 at 11:23 PM link permalink

sorry , I was make a new meaning of sentence in czech language but i don't known how to setting flag czech republic with it ^^! please help me

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sysko sysko November 25, 2009 at 11:56 PM November 25, 2009 at 11:56 PM link permalink

normaly on the main page, it should told you've added sentence that we can't determine the language
http://tatoeba.fr/eng/sentences/unknown_language
there you will be able to set your language as czech :)
PS: i've added a sentence in csech (1st article of human right) found on a website, hope there's no mistake in it

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vinhan vinhan November 26, 2009 at 12:04 AM November 26, 2009 at 12:04 AM link permalink

ok ! , thank you a lot . But can you pin that link into some where easy to find ? like in user profile :)

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sysko sysko November 26, 2009 at 12:12 AM November 26, 2009 at 12:12 AM link permalink

in fact it should be displayed in the main page :p
anyway as told on the post behind, we're going to code a lot this weekend, and to show the manual language selection just after adding a non-detected sentence :)

sysko sysko December 14, 2009 at 12:40 PM December 14, 2009 at 12:40 PM link permalink

done , now you can access to "unknow language sentences" from your profile :)

Barbiche0 Barbiche0 November 25, 2009 at 8:42 PM November 25, 2009 at 8:42 PM link permalink

Hello all,

Here is a new bug i just found : when asked for a sentence langage (when not detected automatically), then confirm langage, the main page won't update and keep displaying an unknown langage.

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TRANG TRANG November 25, 2009 at 11:17 PM November 25, 2009 at 11:17 PM link permalink

It's not really a bug, although I understand it can be confusing... I guess we'll have to rethink the display of the latest contributions.

The thing is, what we display in the "latest contributions" is actually the logs. When you add a sentence, it also adds an entry in the logs, with the text of the sentence and the language that has been detected at the moment you have added it.

And since logs entries are not supposed to be modified, well, they are not updated if you update the language of the sentence. (We don't log language modifications)

It's a bit annoying now because Google has changed their language detection algorithm and a lot of sentences end up with an unknown language :'(

Anyway this weekend the whole team is going to gather and work on Tatoeba, and we're going to introduce the possibility to set the language of the sentence manually (instead of always having it auto-detected).

vinhan vinhan November 23, 2009 at 2:05 PM November 23, 2009 at 2:05 PM link permalink

can you add czech language ?
i would like to contribute some , and also i'll ask my friend to help us

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TRANG TRANG November 23, 2009 at 2:23 PM November 23, 2009 at 2:23 PM link permalink

Yes, we can. I can't guarantee it will be done before this weekend though (as far as I'm concerned I have a busy week).

In the meantime however, you can always add sentences in Czech, even if Czech is not yet "officially" supported.
Your sentences will be categorized as "unknown language", but later (once we add Czech) you will be able to specify that they are Czech.

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vinhan vinhan November 23, 2009 at 7:00 PM November 23, 2009 at 7:00 PM link permalink

oh , ok
thank you a lot .

TRANG TRANG November 24, 2009 at 12:20 AM November 24, 2009 at 12:20 AM link permalink

Alright, Czech language added! Since I did not have time, sysko took care of it.

sysko sysko November 23, 2009 at 9:48 PM November 23, 2009 at 9:48 PM link permalink

Thanks to take time to add your languages :D
but could you just respect a convention
begin sentences by an upper case and finish by a period :
"I love you." instead of "i love you" , it's just to make detection of duplicate easier, thanks :)