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vbkun vbkun January 19, 2010 at 4:30 AM January 19, 2010 at 4:30 AM link Permalink

Hi, new guy here,

Have you ever considered adding Brazilian Portuguese language?
Brazilians and Portuguese can understand each other pretty well, but the "natural" sounding totally difers between them.

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TRANG TRANG January 20, 2010 at 2:05 AM January 20, 2010 at 2:05 AM link Permalink

Hi vbkun, and welcome :)

We haven't considered adding Brazilian Portuguese, for one thing : because no one requested it. But also, it's not exactly a new language.

I feel it is a problem similar to the distinction between British English and American English. Perhaps the difference is more significant in the case of Portuguese "Brazil vs. Portugal" though, but technically, it is still considered as the same language...

So right now, the best I solution I can suggest is to add a tag [Brazil] at the end of sentences that are in Brazilian Portuguese.

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vbkun vbkun January 20, 2010 at 2:48 AM January 20, 2010 at 2:48 AM link Permalink

I also don't think it's really a big problem, I was mainlly just worried bout people learning the language VS natural sounding ;).
Because I guess in most cases (maybe 90% of them, or even a bit more) the sentences are understandable for both sides.

Guess I'll then add those tags in my future contributions for pt-br ;)

trotter trotter January 17, 2010 at 4:24 PM January 17, 2010 at 4:24 PM link Permalink

Coquille :


Il n'y a pas (encore) de résultats pour cette recheche mais vous pouvez nous aider à alimenter (...)
=>Il n'y a pas (encore) de résultats pour cette recheRche mais vous pouvez nous aider à alimenter (...)

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TRANG TRANG January 17, 2010 at 10:21 PM January 17, 2010 at 10:21 PM link Permalink

Merci, c'est corrigé.

contour contour January 17, 2010 at 5:24 AM January 17, 2010 at 5:24 AM link Permalink

There are a number of sentences where some words are tagged with weird bracket syntax, like this one;
"There are days where I feel like my {brain}{1} wants to abandon me."
Do these have any meaning to the system, and should they be preserved when adding new translations?

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TRANG TRANG January 17, 2010 at 9:28 PM January 17, 2010 at 9:28 PM link Permalink

No, you don't have to preserve them when adding new translations. They used to be used, and they may be used again someday, but right now they don't mean anything anymore to the system.

You can find a short explaination at the very bottom of this page:
http://tatoeba.org/eng/pages/do...mple-sentences

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nickyeow nickyeow January 19, 2010 at 7:27 AM January 19, 2010 at 7:27 AM link Permalink

Then should they be removed?

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TRANG TRANG January 20, 2010 at 1:48 AM January 20, 2010 at 1:48 AM link Permalink

They should, but not by you. I mean, someday I'll just run a script that will do the work, so don't worry about it :)

I'll also have to backup these sentences somewhere before removing the brackets, because they're still providing information that can be useful someday.

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nickyeow nickyeow January 20, 2010 at 11:48 PM January 20, 2010 at 11:48 PM link Permalink

I see. It'd be so much simpler to run a script than to remove them one by one :)

nickyeow nickyeow January 15, 2010 at 4:30 PM January 15, 2010 at 4:30 PM link Permalink

Looks like there’s something wrong with the Chinese pinyin transliteration... the pinyin of some traditional Chinese characters are not properly displayed :S

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TRANG TRANG January 15, 2010 at 5:11 PM January 15, 2010 at 5:11 PM link Permalink

True. We installed our own pinyin converter and started using it recently, but perhaps the data we used is not complete...

Anyway we switched to the old way so it is now working again for the traditional Chinese characters.

zipangu zipangu January 15, 2010 at 4:42 PM January 15, 2010 at 4:42 PM link Permalink

Hi, how about adding Latin as a separate language? It appears to be a core language for almost all of Europe's languages (from a cultural point of view, of course, not the linguistic one). Latin proverbs and sayings are actually original versions of correspondent idioms in many languages.

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sysko sysko January 15, 2010 at 4:44 PM January 15, 2010 at 4:44 PM link Permalink

As for all other language, we're opened, we just need people adding some sample sentences in this language, as soon as you can provide us around 5 sentences, we can consider adding it.

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zipangu zipangu January 15, 2010 at 5:41 PM January 15, 2010 at 5:41 PM link Permalink

Great, how about:

http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/349115
http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/349096
http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/349347
http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/349457
http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/349463

As for flag, consider 'SPQR' symbol :)

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human600 human600 January 30, 2010 at 9:40 PM January 30, 2010 at 9:40 PM link Permalink

How about this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Spqrstone.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spqr

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zipangu zipangu January 31, 2010 at 7:28 PM January 31, 2010 at 7:28 PM link Permalink

Yes, that's exactly what I was thinking about! Now an icon of 20x30 pix :)

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sysko sysko March 6, 2010 at 6:25 PM March 6, 2010 at 6:25 PM link Permalink

language added, the SPQR file human600 give dit not properly render on 20*30, so we've choosen something else, but if you have something better to propose us, tell us :)

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zipangu zipangu March 6, 2010 at 8:28 PM March 6, 2010 at 8:28 PM link Permalink

Looks great! Thanks!

JeroenHoek JeroenHoek January 12, 2010 at 3:02 PM January 12, 2010 at 3:02 PM link Permalink

Why are the flags made lighter than they are in reality? The Dutch flag now looks exactly like the Luxembourg flag.

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TRANG TRANG January 12, 2010 at 6:46 PM January 12, 2010 at 6:46 PM link Permalink

That's because back at the time when I introduced the flags as the indicator of the language of a sentence, I felt that the real colors were too strong and needed to be lightened a little bit to fit more to the overall colors of the site.

But you're right, it leads to issues such as having a flag of a country looking like the one of another country.

sysko sysko January 12, 2010 at 7:01 PM January 12, 2010 at 7:01 PM link Permalink

But anyway if someday luxembourg language is added, its flag too, and it will look lighter than dutch flag :) (and the contrast between red and blue is kept as the red is also lighter)

Swift Swift December 28, 2009 at 4:33 PM December 28, 2009 at 4:33 PM link Permalink

The readings for <arabic numeral>日 are incorrect, but <kanji numeral>日 are correct. Figured I'd leave a note here rather on some particular entry as it applies to many.

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TRANG TRANG January 11, 2010 at 8:40 PM January 11, 2010 at 8:40 PM link Permalink

Thanks for the note. I've corrected them.

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Swift Swift January 12, 2010 at 12:06 AM January 12, 2010 at 12:06 AM link Permalink

Great! Furthermore, <numeral>日間 should also have the same reading as <numeral>日+かん. When there is no numeral, it is read ひあい.

Further <numeral>日 exceptions:
*一日の長(いちにちのちょう)
*一日一日(いちにちいちにち)
*一日一夜(いちにちいちや)
*一日増しに(いちにちましに)
*一日置き(いちにちおき)
*一日片時(いちにちへんじ)
*一日路(いちにちじ)
*一日千秋(いちじつせんしゅう/いちにちせんしゅう)
*一日を過ごす(いちにちをすごす)
*一日三秋(いちじつさんしゅう/いちにちさんしゅう)- anthy only gives the kanji when inputting the former reading.
*一日一善(いちにちいちぜん)
*一日二日(いちにちふつか)
*三日月(みかづき)
*七日鮫(なのかざめ)- anthy cannot produce this.
I didn't dig any deeper into this, but I imagine there are loads of special cases to be found.

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TRANG TRANG March 28, 2010 at 2:25 PM March 28, 2010 at 2:25 PM link Permalink

And I remembered I didn't reply to you about this.

If you have been reading some of the latest messages you might have guessed that we're in the process of switching to another software for romanization, which will hopefully be more of a long term solution.

With the current one (KAKASI), I've reached the point where adding new rules to get correct romanization was too much of a hassle...

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Swift Swift March 28, 2010 at 2:42 PM March 28, 2010 at 2:42 PM link Permalink

Yes, I'd noticed. Hope the new software proves better. I also noticed that the next release might have kana in addition to romaji which would be a welcome feature.

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sysko sysko March 28, 2010 at 6:55 PM March 28, 2010 at 6:55 PM link Permalink

In fact the release will maybe replace romaji by kana, in a first time, and if people prefer to have both, the we will work to have both

indoraq indoraq January 3, 2010 at 9:20 PM January 3, 2010 at 9:20 PM link Permalink

Did a CSV file download, could not find any Estonian sentences there?

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sysko sysko January 5, 2010 at 6:24 PM January 5, 2010 at 6:24 PM link Permalink

in fact as written in the download section, the last csv was generated a month ago, when estonian was not present in tatoeba, so at the next generation, estonian will be in it (in the same time we will review the way we generate csv to make it more "automatic" )

TRANG TRANG January 11, 2010 at 1:56 PM January 11, 2010 at 1:56 PM link Permalink

In case you are interested, I have updated the files. You should find Estonian now.

indoraq indoraq December 29, 2009 at 7:23 PM December 29, 2009 at 7:23 PM link Permalink

Is there a way to delete a sentence? And a comment?

There also seems to be sync issue as submitted changes are not there. I think I have entered 2 sentences, but stat shows 5... A have corrected sent several times, but the old version is still there... And each edit seems to add a new sentence not to modify the existing one. Well I guess don't follow the UI logics...

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TRANG TRANG December 30, 2009 at 4:40 PM December 30, 2009 at 4:40 PM link Permalink

Hi,

There is currently no way for users to delete a sentence, nor a comment. Of course someday it will be possible, but we don't have much time for now and it is not a "vital" feature.

Instead of deleting a sentence, you can always replace it by another one.
As for deleting comments, well it doesn't really hurt anyone if you have posted a comment unintentionally :)

Now regarding your sync issue... I'm not sure to understand how you proceeded. But you can try to read the help and see if it helps: http://tatoeba.org/eng/pages/help

There is one thing that is not mentioned though: if you want to modify a sentence, you have to click on it. Then a form will appear and you will be able to edit it.

For instance here, this is one of your sentence: http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/344674
Try clicking on it, then change the text, then press OK.

Generally speaking, we are aware that the UI is not intuitive for everyone. We're trying our best but keep in mind that this is a project we're working on in our free time, so sometimes you have to bear with us.

Anyway you can always help out by telling us what we should display and how we should things so that you would understand how it works :)

TRANG TRANG December 30, 2009 at 4:44 PM December 30, 2009 at 4:44 PM link Permalink

Oh by the way, you have to be careful while replying to messages on the Wall. You had replied by mistake to Swift's message (http://tatoeba.org/eng/wall/index#message_88). But I moved your message to the top.

It's also better to post a new message (instead of replying) if you are talking about another topic. We check the Wall everyday so you don't have to worry about your message going unnoticed.

indoraq indoraq December 28, 2009 at 9:26 PM December 28, 2009 at 9:26 PM link Permalink

Hi,
Could not find Estonian in the language list, please add, if possible.

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sysko sysko December 29, 2009 at 1:06 AM December 29, 2009 at 1:06 AM link Permalink

No problem, but could you please first add a few sentences/ translation, even if not detected by the system, that way it will give us some sample to test the detection for Estonian and integrate it well :)

sysko sysko December 29, 2009 at 12:27 PM December 29, 2009 at 12:27 PM link Permalink

I've just seen you have added yesterday five sentences in Estonian :)
if you know how to say them in english you can translate them as other people are more likely to know how to translate from english, and it will be far more usefull for people who wants to know sentences in Estionian.

anyway thanks to make Tatoeba more complete :D

TRANG TRANG December 29, 2009 at 5:47 PM December 29, 2009 at 5:47 PM link Permalink

Estonian has been added :) Enjoy.