I might, but I'm too lazy to buy a microphone.

No, they won't.

The same clashes exist for other languages as well, e.g.:
http://tatoeba.org/sentences/show/397374
http://tatoeba.org/sentences/show/337605

I think @ is not really the best marker for this, since it's also used in tags meaning 'action is needed'.

> I've noticed that private messages aren't e-mailed
> to the person. Looks strange for me.
The original explanation was: it's because this will allow to use PM to send spam.

Comments are emailed, but everyone sees comments, so admin(s) would be able to quickly block the spammer. But if someone sends spam through private messages, it can come unnoticed.

nº1589788 had been added recently. The search engine cache has not been updated yet.

It will appear in the search, but not immediately.

Nie wiem, dlaczego... U mnie (w Firefoksie 12) pracuje, mogę odsłuchać mp3 w tym zdaniu.

The problem is, people will just forget. :(

I wonder how many projects we will not see because of this.

Then what about contributing link-makers? If moderator linked two sentences, according to your logics, he also should be contributed.

ON THE LICENSE

I believe the discussion on the license we are having can RUIN the maid idea of Tatoeba, or at least harm it.


WHAT IS DISCUSSED

Some people say that "Taken from Tatoeba, copyright Tatoeba contributors" is not enough as a contribution, and you should say "Taken from Tatoeba sentences 222, 3333, 44444, 555555" or "Taken from Tatoeba, copyright muiriel, sacredceltic, FeuDRenais".


WHAT IT IMPLIES

It will make re-using Tatoeba data much harder. People can't just add one line to their "About" dialog, they will be FORCED TO CHANGE THEIR PROGRAMS if they want to use Tatoeba data.

Often changing program is not an option. E.g. proram may be written by someone else, and you just import data into it.

This will effectively REDUCE THE USEFULLNESS OF TATOEBA for other sites. Many sites, who can't or don't want to change their programs, will HAVE TO AVOID TATOEBA DATA.


WHY IT IS IMPORTANT

From the very beginning, Tatoeba project was intended only as ONE of the projects to break linguistic barriers. Remember Trang's video:
http://www.universalsubtitles.o...-of-sentences/ (start from 2:50):
"But you know, it would be sad to collect all these sentences and keep them for ourselves. Because there's so much you can do with them. Which is why Tatoeba is "open"... This means you ca re-use them freely for a textbook, for an application, for a research project, for anything! <...> So, ultimately with Tatoeba we're only building the foundations to make the Web a better place for language leraning."

The idea is that Tatoeba database can be re-used: it makes them much more useful.

This change WILL UNLTIMATELY MAKE TATOEBA MUCH LESS OPEN.


LEGAL POINT OF VIEW

"Copyright Tatoeba contributors" already includes "muiriel, sacredceltic and FeuDRenais" (anyone can visit http://tatoeba.org/rus/users/all and see the full list), there is no REAL need to ask to mention them separately.

BUT CC-BY gives you RIGHT to specify contribution format. So it is not a legal requirement to specify long attribution phrases, but it's possible.

I must stress: it's not a legal requirement, it's a requirement WE, THE CONTRIBUTORS, CAN FORCE ON OTHERS.


A PLEA

I personally HOPE this new attribution format is not adopted. Because it would efficiently make Tatoeba licensing terms as cumbersome as the licensing terms of traditional corpuses.

Please... please don't ruin what I liked in Tatoeba most. That sense of making something useful. The sense that it's not just site as it is, but a foundation for something much bigger.

Web frameworks don't eliminate the need to change the program.

And in some cases this is even less possible, e.g. in mobile appilcations with memory constrains.

It means alterning the database schema and program in most cases.

I personally think a link to Tatoeba is enough. One can use search to find who exactly was the contributor.

Requiring someone to attribute each member is too cumbersome, and, in the end, makes re-using data much harder. It means one should not add a small link on the credits page, but a link each time sentence is used! I think it's too much: hardly anyone will use Tatoeba sentences under such terms.

I think we should be happy that someone re-uses our data.

Are you sure this is absolutely required to attribute the username? I think tatoeba link may be allright: the user can go to tatoeba and find out who the contributor was.

I think forcing people to mention the contributor exactly makes re-using data much harder! You can't just add one line in your credits, you have to put lots of names.

I think CC-BY licenses mean you can specify what kind of attribution is required. I just hope that Tatoeba link is enough attribution.

As for compatibility, it is one-way: CC-BY thing can be included in CC-BY-SA things, but not vice versa.

GPL has the same copyleft features/shortcomings as CC-BY-SA, and in addition it is not really suited for non-code.

[EN] I personally don't like the idea of CC-BY-SA switch _at all_.

It would greatly limit the usefullness of Tatoeba data for non-open-source developers.

Tatoeba is already _open_. What CC-BY-SA effectively does is making it less "open", i.e. people who are not working of "open" projects won't be able to use it.

[UK] Мені особисто _дуже_ не подобається ідея переходу на CC-BY-SA.

Це значно зменшить корисність даних Татоеби для разробщиків ПО з закритим кодом.

Татоеба вже _вільна_. CC-BY-SA тільки зробить її менш вільною, тобто люди, які не працють над _вільними_ проектами, не зможуть її використовувати.

Каждый может выбрать себе такую картинку, какую хочет (в пределах разумного, конечно).

Установить дополнение для Вашего браузера (например, AdBlock для Firefox) и отключите её.

Ну, или попросите Sacredceltic'а по-хорошему... Хотя он вряд ли согласится. :)

Can you please avoid non-constructive discussions?

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