It sound like your way of managing this very serious matter is nothing but very opaque.

You made a survey without the knowledge of some members...
Trying to find users who do not know each other personally...
This forum is not a court of law and you are not a judge!
You repeatedly threatened members of this site to get ride of there flag during several month. This is harassment.

You did allowed as admin and a legally responsible for the Tatoeba organization repeated harassment and defamation against public Kabyle people and group.
You allowed and still insist on discriminating members of Tatoeba on the base of falsely accusation. You got all the links to more info and enough time to easily realize that the Kabyle flag represent the Kabyle people, there is no other Kabyle flag. None of the world justice bodies or organization have any of the kabyle organizations in their list of dangerous or violent entity. On the contrary.

This is from Tatoeba's Term of uses and it applies to you as well:
" Soyez conscient·e que vous êtes légalement responsable de toutes vos contributions, éditions ou réutilisations des contenus de Tatoeba, ainsi que de tous vos messages et commentaires envoyés sur notre site, au regard des lois suivantes :

la loi française, cadre dans lequel l’association « Association Tatoeba » est déclarée ;
les lois de votre lieu de vie ;
ou d’autres lois applicables (qui peuvent inclure les lois de l’endroit où vous visionnez, ajoutez ou éditez le contenu)."

The Tatoeba forum is not a court of law and this matter needs to reach out to a broader public. We will not accept those racist, discriminatory and defamatory practice.

Trang, you wrote "As said: why would someone contribute in Kabyle if they are not comfortable with promoting the flag on their profile?"

If Amastan, the one person who complain about the Kabyle flag and says that it hinder him contributing to the Kabyle corpus, why didn't he start the Kabyle corpus himself?

The principles you enumerated are not fair at all.
I read your first message and the question that came back to me every time is:
If Amastan, the one person who complain about the Kabyle flag and says that it hinder him contributing to the Kabyle corpus, why didn't he start the Kabyle corpus himself?

Congratulation to all of you and keep the good work!
Your contributions are very valuable, especially for those like me who need to improve their pronunciation. :)

Dear Cueyayotl, dear admins, dear users

Cueyayotl, In your edit, you wrote:

""(EDIT: I have NOT made the final call to change the Kabyle flag; my preliminary decision was made on the information I had gathered from the wall and my own research – The leader of the MAK movement Ferhat Mehenni himself seems to not have a problem with my Flag#3 here [https://i.ytimg.com/vi/e2zSyotm...sdefault.jpg]: I wonder if any Kabyle contributors do? I wonder if it would make for the best language icon for Kabyle?""

Since you name the leader of the MAK, i would like to react if i may. When you wrote "The leader of the MAK movement Ferhat Mehenni himself seems to not have a problem with my Flag#3". Did you contact him? If not i think it would be a great idea actually. Not only to avoid assumptions concerning what he may think of the Kabyle flag but mainly because he, as a public personality has a right to respond to the false allegation made against him. He has been accused of been an extremist, calling to violence, racist, compared to Nazi, dangerous, intolerant and so on. All this on the Tatoeba website. It's called "defamation."

The least we can do is to give the attacked person a right to respond and you would then be able to have a other way of judging if the allegations are right or not. I am sure it would be possible for the president of the MAK to meet you or an other admin to respond to any of your questions. At least a video conference. I am at your disposition for any question around that matter.

Why would the Gusi International Peace Prize, whish is sometimes called "the Nobel Prize of Asia" reward Ferhat Mehenni in 2013 if the allegation made by the users Amastan and MessDjaff about him were true?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G...ace_Prize#2013

I would like to stress that the only argument for changing the Kabyle flag are defamation and as it, the truth has to be found and we now have a real opportunity for that.

Mouloud Mammeri used to say:
One can lie to somebody all the time
One can lie to everybody some time
One can not lie to everybody all the time

Best regards
Sifaks

The decision about removing the Kabyle flag is not based on any rules stated on this site. Therefore it can only be arbitrary.

And even if it was the case then the Kabyle flag would be discriminate because the Catalan, Kurdish, Basque and all other non state flag are then, as asserted by some users and admins also political and separatist entities that have nothing to do on a platform dedicated to languages. The only fair thing to do is ether keep the Kabyle flag chosen by the Kabyle contributors or remove all the flags. Anything else is pure discrimination.

The internet is not an other world. An injustice committed on the cloud is still an injustice.
The admins taking those decision have a huge responsibility. Fairness, justice, equality, freedom, are not empty word for a lot a people, especially those who cherish the values of free speech, free sharing, free education.

If the Kabyle flag happens to be removed and the other non state flag remain, then it is a pure case of discrimination, racism, segregation.
Especially when the contributors working under the Kabyle flag do it by free will and do like there flag. The dictatorial Algerian junta would thank you for that!

You have not contributed with anything on Tatoeba otherwise than comments on flag than does not concern you. It is a sabotage of the Tatoeba peaceful place of work and sharing

Since Saladin was Kurdish, i propose Kurdish flag for Turkish language.
I think it is fair since you want to change the Kabyle flag which all the contributors of the Kabyle team have adopted.

The Kabyle team has been harassed by others members of Tatoeba.
I don't get it. The language teams should concentrate on their own works.

Sent to Cueyayotl, Corpus Manager

Hei Cueyayotl

Concerning the claim of changing the Kabyle flag, you can see by yourself that it comes from contributors outside the Kabyle team. This is not acceptable.
Some serious insults and allegations have been made by contributors outside the Kabyle team concerning the Kabyle flag.

The members of the Kabyle team concentrate only on the works around Kabyle language, we are not interested to change anything about others team and we wish them the best, we are here to work and contribute to languages, diversity, friendship and mutual understanding.

It feel like harassment when members outside our team want to dictate us how we should represent ourself.

The Kabyle team is very engaged and prolific, bringing the Kabyle language to a large amount of platform, software, etc. You can see us in the top 5 both on Mozilla's Common Voice and newly here on Tatoeba. We are grateful and blessed to have those tools to give life to a language that was otherwise doomed to extinction.

I am at your disposition if you have any questions around that matter

Best regards
Sifaks Uraver

You can see in my profile that i do not speak Arabic not write Arabic.

This is not a football club or a concert hall! Tatoeba's Kabyle team chose the Kabyle flags to represent the Kabyle language. The Kabyle team does not seek to change the flag of other teams. You are not part of the Kabyle team, it does not concern you.

Ici ce n'est pas un club de foot ni une sale de concert! L'equipe Kabyle de Tatoeba a choisi le drapeaux Kabyle pour representer la langue Kabyle.
L'équipe Kabyle ne cherche pas à changer le drapeau des autres équipes de contributeur.
Tu ne fais pas parti de l'équipe Kabyle, cela ne te concerne pas.

This is common sens!