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belkacem77's messages on the Wall (total 131)

belkacem77
2019-01-21 17:26
Done and thanks
belkacem77
2019-01-21 13:33
How can I do to make all my contributions by default CC0?
belkacem77
2019-01-21 13:22

Thanks for all job you did.
We are testing while browsing the site.
Thanks for everyone.
belkacem77
2018-12-15 16:40
There is an update announced on Github
belkacem77
2018-12-08 20:59
For Kabyle, I suggest @Amazigh_Bedar and he can suggest more names to help.
Bedar is a linguist (Kabyle and other berber languages)
belkacem77
2018-11-29 22:28
Welcome
belkacem77
2018-11-26 18:16
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@samir_t @Igider

Stop replying. Please focus on the corpus. We need more sentences translated from recorded English sentences.
belkacem77
2018-11-26 13:46
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@Amastan,

We still call to separate the berber corpora into the real languages. It would be more usefull for all of us.

We are going to generate and STT and TTS voice model for Kabyle, can we use your recordings and kabyle sentences?
belkacem77
2018-11-26 12:57 - 2018-11-26 13:43
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But you are using the wrong flag for berber. The kabyle corpus is using to the real flag. And it's all about a langage corpus not politics. I don't care about politic convinctions of people.
belkacem77
2018-11-26 12:45
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Your spirit of uniqueness prevents you from accepting any difference whatever: religious, ethinic, linguistic, political. Sorry, but in Kabylia we have no problem with diversity.
belkacem77
2018-11-26 12:01
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We are talking about linguistics, sociolinguistics and languages not politics.
belkacem77
2018-11-26 11:59
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We are talking linguistics and computational linguistics and not politics.
belkacem77
2018-11-26 11:57 - 2018-11-26 11:58
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That's what it was said above
belkacem77
2018-11-26 11:55 - 2018-11-26 11:57
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Kabyle vocabulary released under berber name.
Your are going to take part in killing all berber languages if you continue to act like this.
Every language should have the same chance to be saved.
Not All languages are evolving like like Kabyle. Please stop to use berber to qualify Kabyle.
belkacem77
2018-11-23 12:02
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It's Kabyle
belkacem77
2018-11-23 12:01
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It's Kabyle.
belkacem77
2018-11-21 11:54
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@Warwari Azul a gma,

Ur d-nessukkes kra i teqbaylit a gma. Nebqa kan ad nmudd tagnit i yimaziɣen-nniḍen akken ad sneflin (développer) tutlayin-nsen. Abrid-agi i d-nuɣ d ayen are yessengren tutlayin-nniḍen timaziɣin. Maca akka tura yessefk yal tutlayt ad d-tali s yiman-is. Ad tizmir i yiman-is. Ddeq n telɣut (information) i gebrent tutlayin-nniḍen timaziqin i yessefk ad neḥrez acku ula d taqbaylit tezmzer ad faṛes seg-sent.

Deg uselmed, ur yessefk ara ad nexdem akken xedmen waɛraben. Snulfan-d tutlayt ur yettwaseqdacen ara deg tmetti.

Nekkni ad nkemmel leqdic ɣef teqbaylit yerna ad nessiwel i yimaziɣen-nniḍen ad d-asen ad rnun ammuden-nsen n tifyar s tutlayin-nsen.

D aya kan i yellan deg-s.
belkacem77
2018-11-21 08:53
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Hi @odexed

Here you come and thanks for your question.

In Morroco, the official script of "Berber" is Tifinagh. In Algeria, it's not yet decided and it's subject to ideology. Some berber groups want it in arabic like Mozabits because of a socio-cultural context, others want it Tifinagh like Amahaqs (Touaregs), and others want it in Latin like Kabyles.

By the way, the Tifinagh Alphabet used in Morroco, differs from the one developped by the berber academy in France during the 70s and from the one used in the south of Algeria (amahaq). Arabic script adapted for "Berber" dosn't exist. Latin-based script is mostly used for Kabyle.

Anyway, the corpus named Berber in Tatoeba is 90% Kabyle. Which means that the other berber languages (more than 22 others) do not appear in this corpus. For these reasons, we launched a separate corpus for the Kabyle language .
belkacem77
2018-11-20 22:00
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I don't care about politics and ideology. I'm talking reality, sociolinguistics reality.

I was just back from Ghardaia (Mozabit teritory) in the south of Algeria where people speak Mozabit and not BERBER. We were using French to understand each other because BERBER does'nt exist. If BERBER exists, we would use it.

I've already been in Igli (Béchar), Batna, Tamanraset, Adrar in Algeria... and we never used a language called BERBER to communicate with. I used to use French and Algerian arabic (not standard arabic that none could understand except academicians and not BERBER that doesn't exist).

Berber refers to a set of languages that differ and each one has its own grammar, morphosyntaxtic rules, vocbulary, phonological system. Berber is a sociopolitical concept that refers to North africa.


Within Algerian schools, Kabyle is taugh under the name of "BERBER" and that's why people refused to learn it in Ghardaia, Ouargla, Batna... because they have their own language.

You have to be aware that if we act like this, we will lead all berber languages to extinction.

It's time to separate the berber corpus on Tatoeba and put each sentence within its real language and then create a list that we can call it Berber and tag all sentences from every berber language as belonging to the berber language family.

ISO, Ethnologue and most world organizations dealing with languages and territories are sientists and know exactly the reality of the sociolinguistcs arround the world.
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belkacem77
2018-11-20 12:47
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@Ricardo14
As I'm an ERP consultant deploying systems in Algeria, I met people from the Mzab Valley (talking Mozabit) who were interested in creating a corpus for their language.

To be clear, the berber language dosn't exist. There are about 22 different berber languages and some of them have different syntax, morpholgy and phonology....

A contributor created a corpus for tamahaqt (for now it's a list) and translated it into Kabyle. You can check by yourself and analyse to take an idea.

The most developped berber languages is Kabyle. Kabyle is now present on several applications on Windows, Android, iOS such as Firefox,thunderbird, LibreOffice.... We are also working on a voice model for TTS and STT. Kabyle will also be available on Linux in few months.

In Algeria, People are learning Kabyle under the name of Tamaziɣt (Berber) because the other berber languages are not developped. So we don't want to see these other languages desappear because of Kabyle.

The berber language on Tatoeba represents more than 90% of Kabyle. 21 other berber languages represent 10% of the corpus., so they are not represented.

We need to give a chance for every language to develop its own corpus and we need this to save them not to kill "berber".