As for bugs within the wiki website, this is a whole different story because the wiki was created by sysko about 10 years ago using very exotic (and now unmaintained) framework only he is familiar with. I might be able to fix simple issues but it is generally tedious.

That being said, I set up a separate wiki instance on the dev platform at https://wiki.dev.tatoeba.org, and a wiki instance is now bundled in the latest Imouto virtual machine. This will certainly ease any kind of future work on the wiki.

Maybe you need to change the links from http to https? For a currently working example, have a look at this page https://fr.wiki.tatoeba.org/art...w/premiers-pas I remember that the wiki syntax for images is confusing because what you see in the instant preview (below the text edition area) isn’t exactly what you get after saving.

Yes, no special action is needed by translators. All the links pointing to the wiki will just update automatically. (If you just created a new wiki article, you’ll have to wait for up to one hour before the link updates though.)

Dear all,

At the moment, links to wiki articles are all pointing to the English wiki. For example, the Quick Start Guide link in the page footer always brings you to the English wiki article, even if you are browsing Tatoeba in a different language. This is a shame since some articles have been localized in other languages, but the average user might not notice it.

I am in the process of fixing this. Starting from next week, all the wiki links will be adjusted according to the language you are browsing Tatoeba into (giving that the article exists in that language; otherwise it will fall back to the English one).

Since this change is going to bring more exposure to non English wikis, I’d like to call for help on translating the wiki and proofread existing translations, in particular the following articles:

Quick Start Guide https://en.wiki.tatoeba.org/art...ow/quick-start
FAQ https://en.wiki.tatoeba.org/articles/show/faq
Text search https://en.wiki.tatoeba.org/art...ow/text-search

Note that you need to create an account to edit the wiki. Send me a private message if you need help on this.

No.

Try searching for:

*bath* -bath

The meaning of *bath* is "search words containing bath".
The meaning of -bath is "exclude all the results that would appears when searching for bath". This effectively filters out words like bath, bathing, bathed or baths because these are all considered to be derived from the word bath.

humilulo, thank you for bearing with us and welcome to Tatoeba!

As others mentioned it’s not possible at the moment, but we’d like to add this functionality at some point. You can keep track of the progress here: https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2/issues/1954

Thank you for the positive feedback! I hope it will work on all browsers and OSes because the implementation is a bit hacky.

Dear all,

I have been working on making the language dropdowns easier to understand and use. It’s not on tatoeba.org yet but you can try them out on https://dev.tatoeba.org/

Detailed list of changes: https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2/pull/2615

*Tatoeba projects*

= Story =
For the past few years, I’ve been regularly asking myself about the meaning of Tatoeba. What is Tatoeba? What’s the purpose? Why do people contribute? What kind of sentences should be on Tatoeba?

I’ve discovered that members have very different answers to these questions. Some of us teach kids, some are here for audio recordings, some for data science, some just to support the idea of free access to knowledge… Since we work collaboratively, I thought we’ll just have to somehow keep going on despite our differences. After all, this diversity of individuals might be one of Tatoeba’s strongest point.

However the problem comes back when one wants to introduce Tatoeba to new users (or otherwise make Tatoeba newcomers-friendly). What "slogan" text should we put on the home page? Should we keep the random sentence on the home page or not? How to agree on the right-pane help text of the "add new sentences" page? How to offer guidance to new contributors without being influenced by your own interests? Corollary: how can new users find their own meaning in Tatoeba (and not quit because of the lack of it)? All this is very controversial and has always been an unsolvable puzzle to me.

(To see an example of how new members question the purpose of Tatoeba, I suggest reading the debrief section of this UX test: https://en.wiki.tatoeba.org/art...test-3#debrief )

= Idea =
But here is an idea. First, let’s think of Tatoeba as a platform. I like the word platform because instead of implying a purpose, it only implies the idea of a place. A place to gather with tools to work together. (If you agree, I’d like to see the word platform used on the home page for guests.)

Then, we introduce the concept of projects. Let’s say the main value to me in Tatoeba is translations of dialogs from Japanese to French. I create a project named "Traduisons les dialogues japonais" with a description, why doing that, how to go about it, some guidelines etc. Now other members, if interested, can join my project, and we can share tips, look after each other, celebrate our own milestones etc. We can do our stuff without ever imposing a particular vision to the rest of the community. Everyone’s free to create or join any project as they see fit. All projects are equal, whether big or small. It’s up to every project team to attract new members. New members can start contributing by simply joining a particular project. I can see at a glance how a particular member is involved in Tatoeba by looking at the projects he or she’s into.

This could be the foundation of a whole new way to contribute. Maybe we don’t need to implement specialized contribution functionalities like word requests any more. Just create a new project.

By the way, Wikipedia uses the concept of projects too, see for instance the Music project: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W...iProject_Music

It looks like a good idea to me. I suggest you post it on Github too, because Wall threads tend to sink into oblivion.

Using comments to suggest translations is clearly inefficient because the information is likely to go unnoticed without ever reaching any potentially interested members (and the original sentence owner gets unnecessarily notified).

While better, using actual sentences marked as 'needs native check' has also many drawbacks. The biggest in my opinion is that a lot of sentences produced like that by non-natives are not bad enough to be deleted, yet not good enough to get native’s approval. And when we don’t know how to improve them, they just stay like that for years.

I fixed 1) and 2) already.

As for 3), I borrowed this way of displaying text from Wikipedia. It’s less of a problem for them because they localize each language names. I could change the display like you suggested, but this will make the text unaligned with other columns. I like how straight and organized it looks right now.

I’m not sure how to go about this but I’d rather try to approach the problem differently.

Thanks! I’m glad you like it too. :-)

Right, the "0+ sentences" is weird. It won’t appear on tatoeba.org because all languages have at least one sentence. It does appear on dev.tatoeba.org though because we keep the list of supported languages updated without adding new sentences. I’m going change it into "0 sentences" nonetheless.

Check out the new "Browse by language" page: https://dev.tatoeba.org/sentences/index (note that it displays differently for guests and logged-in users).
Related issue: https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2/issues/2157

Feedback is welcome. Also, a lot of code changed under the hood, so I’d be glad if you could check if the rest of the website is working normally.

As of now, not really. You can always ask on the Wall.

I think you can also still use the vocabulary request feature. Either you put the grammatical form as a formula like "to be verb-ing". It will always show zero sentences, but some contributors may still add sentences for it and you can remove the request after it's fulfilled. Either you can come up with a search query that brings the kind of grammar structure you want using wildcard or other tricks mentioned in https://en.wiki.tatoeba.org/art...ow/text-search

If we ever setup a forum, we could have a dedicated thread for that to connect requesters with sentence writers for each language.

I confirm a fix was to be deployed next week. But since it’s a bit annoying and I was responsible of the bug, I deployed the fix already. Thanks for reporting the problem! :-)

I don’t think we are going to host a forum anywhere else than our own servers. Using an external host comes with privacy concerns and doesn’t allow any kind of integration with the existing website. And I’m not particularly excited about Discord because it’s proprietary software.

Aside from the technical questions, how do you think a Tatoeba forum could look like?

I’d like to start a discussion about how the Wall could be improved: https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2/issues/2519 (I preferred to use Github for text formatting.) Feel free to answer here or over there.

It looks like filtering by word count is the most straightforward way to solve your problem. This enhancement has been suggested before and the progress is tracked here: https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2/issues/1954

Edit: it was you who actually first suggested this. Just to make it clear, we didn’t forget, but we have other priorities for now. :-)