menu
Tatoeba
language
Register Log in
language English
menu
Tatoeba

chevron_right Register

chevron_right Log in

Browse

chevron_right Show random sentence

chevron_right Browse by language

chevron_right Browse by list

chevron_right Browse by tag

chevron_right Browse audio

Community

chevron_right Wall

chevron_right List of all members

chevron_right Languages of members

chevron_right Native speakers

search
clear
swap_horiz
search
alexmarcelo alexmarcelo April 16, 2013 April 16, 2013 at 1:34:03 AM UTC link Permalink

:: CORPUS MAINTAINER REQUEST ::

Hi,
I've received a new request from Alan to be made a corpus maintainer. According to his message, his priority will be abandoned sentences that need to be changed or deleted. I like his proposal, because there are more than 36,000 sentences in English to be checked and adopted. Since becoming a corpus maintainer is not as simple as becoming an advanced contributor, I invite Alan to write about his proposals on the wall. I particularly think he is experienced enough to do the job (although he's been with us for only five months), especially with that kind of sentences; however, I'm ready to listen to whatever you have to say about him. Just let us know what you think. I should wait for three or four days before I change his status, so I hope you can come and have a word with us. Again, becoming a corpus maintainer implies a lot of responsibility! That's why we need your opinion.
Please have a look at his profile:
http://tatoeba.org/eng/user/profile/AlanF_US

About users' status:
http://blog.tatoeba.org/2011/05...rs-status.html

{{vm.hiddenReplies[16187] ? 'expand_more' : 'expand_less'}} hide replies show replies
hayastan hayastan April 16, 2013 April 16, 2013 at 5:11:50 AM UTC link Permalink

He has my full support! :)

Tamy Tamy April 16, 2013 April 16, 2013 at 7:03:51 AM UTC link Permalink

+1
Alan has done good work1

sacredceltic sacredceltic April 16, 2013 April 16, 2013 at 10:23:48 AM UTC link Permalink

I oppose it.
AlanF_US, although he has been here only a few months, has repeatedly proven to be an aggressive person, without apparent reason, , intolerant to ideas different from from his and mingling in debates where he had no added value.
I don't trust him as an independent moderator.
He may already adopt and correct sentences without being a Corpus maintainer, as everybody else may.
besides, his profile says almost nothing about what he is.

{{vm.hiddenReplies[16192] ? 'expand_more' : 'expand_less'}} hide replies show replies
liori liori April 16, 2013 April 16, 2013 at 7:40:25 PM UTC link Permalink

What would you want to see on his profile page?

liori liori April 16, 2013 April 16, 2013 at 11:14:23 PM UTC link Permalink

Ah, btw, could you provide examples of him being “an aggressive person” and “intolerant”? That would add quite a lot of weight to your currently unjustified argument.

sacredceltic sacredceltic April 16, 2013 April 16, 2013 at 10:27:10 AM UTC link Permalink

Furthermore, we already have a vast array of native English Corpus maintainers from all over, and I can't see why we need more, when we have almost none for some other major languages.
Just divide the number of sentences in each language by the number of Corpus maintainers native in these languages and you'll realise the extent of the problem...

{{vm.hiddenReplies[16193] ? 'expand_more' : 'expand_less'}} hide replies show replies
liori liori April 16, 2013 April 16, 2013 at 7:43:16 PM UTC link Permalink

English also has a problem of unusually high ratio of bad sentences due to the Tanaka corpus. It seems that he wants to take care of them. That's a good reason to have more English corpus maintainers.

{{vm.hiddenReplies[16200] ? 'expand_more' : 'expand_less'}} hide replies show replies
sacredceltic sacredceltic April 16, 2013 April 16, 2013 at 7:47:46 PM UTC link Permalink

No it isn't. More French sentences have been written by non-natives than English sentences in proportion, for instance...

{{vm.hiddenReplies[16201] ? 'expand_more' : 'expand_less'}} hide replies show replies
FeuDRenais FeuDRenais April 16, 2013 April 16, 2013 at 8:06:57 PM UTC link Permalink

What are the proportions?

{{vm.hiddenReplies[16203] ? 'expand_more' : 'expand_less'}} hide replies show replies
FeuDRenais FeuDRenais April 16, 2013 April 16, 2013 at 8:08:41 PM UTC link Permalink

(I also support Alan's request, btw. He seems to be very fit to be a CM.)

sacredceltic sacredceltic April 16, 2013 April 16, 2013 at 8:23:13 PM UTC link Permalink

refer to CK's statistics per contributor, and remove self-proclaimed natives such as you...

{{vm.hiddenReplies[16206] ? 'expand_more' : 'expand_less'}} hide replies show replies
FeuDRenais FeuDRenais April 16, 2013 April 16, 2013 at 8:29:35 PM UTC link Permalink

It would be interesting to see the numbers, if it's not too much trouble.

Because I don't believe your claim.

{{vm.hiddenReplies[16208] ? 'expand_more' : 'expand_less'}} hide replies show replies
sacredceltic sacredceltic April 16, 2013 April 16, 2013 at 8:41:04 PM UTC link Permalink

There are 190K+ French sentences, out of which barely 100K have been written by natives...

{{vm.hiddenReplies[16209] ? 'expand_more' : 'expand_less'}} hide replies show replies
FeuDRenais FeuDRenais April 16, 2013 April 16, 2013 at 9:01:30 PM UTC link Permalink

What's the case for English?

{{vm.hiddenReplies[16210] ? 'expand_more' : 'expand_less'}} hide replies show replies
FeuDRenais FeuDRenais April 16, 2013 April 16, 2013 at 9:14:27 PM UTC link Permalink

Never mind, I checked the page myself.

French has 140,000 native out of a total of 195,000. (~71%)

English has 195,000 native out of a total of 320,000. (~61%)

So, both ratio-wise and absolute-number wise, English is worse off. That being said, more French CMs would not be bad either (or more CMs for any language, for that matter).

{{vm.hiddenReplies[16211] ? 'expand_more' : 'expand_less'}} hide replies show replies
sacredceltic sacredceltic April 16, 2013 April 16, 2013 at 9:49:18 PM UTC link Permalink

and French has zero native corpus maintainer and English has 7...

sacredceltic sacredceltic April 16, 2013 April 16, 2013 at 9:54:53 PM UTC link Permalink

so let me see...

320.000 -195.000 = 125.000 / 7 = 17.857 English sentences to be reviewed per corpus maintainer

and...

195.000 - 140.000 (provided I accept your numbers, which I don't, since many of those are self-proclaimed natives, such as your own many avatars...) = 55.000 / 0....hmmm...divide BY ZERO = Infinity of French sentences to be reviewed by ZERO French native corpus maintainer.

hmmm...

{{vm.hiddenReplies[16218] ? 'expand_more' : 'expand_less'}} hide replies show replies
FeuDRenais FeuDRenais April 16, 2013 April 16, 2013 at 10:04:00 PM UTC link Permalink

Newsflash:

"self-proclaimed native" = every user of Tatoeba who states their native language

{{vm.hiddenReplies[16221] ? 'expand_more' : 'expand_less'}} hide replies show replies
sacredceltic sacredceltic April 16, 2013 April 16, 2013 at 10:22:05 PM UTC link Permalink

self-proclaimed native = (just an example) russian native proclaiming successively to be French native, English native, ...you-name-it native...

Nativeness can be easily established. The more you write sentences, the more it shows...

{{vm.hiddenReplies[16224] ? 'expand_more' : 'expand_less'}} hide replies show replies
FeuDRenais FeuDRenais April 16, 2013 April 16, 2013 at 10:34:30 PM UTC link Permalink

That's not what a self-proclaimed native is. I suggest you have a look here: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/self-proclaimed

Regarding your accusations... not only are they not true and invented by you, but you are perfectly alone in them (so I suggest you stop).

And no, nativeness is not so easily established. What is established by your illustration is mastery of a language.

Okay, I'm done. Sorry everyone for digressing into another scuffle with SC.

To get back on topic, Alan would be a good CM because:

- he is polite
- he is responsible
- he is mature
- he clearly cares about the site, having contributed and proposed to contribute to it in more ways than expected of a normal user (i.e. helping with coding)
- he is willing to clean up sentences in a language that needs some cleaning up
- no one, with the exception of a single notorious user, appears to have voiced any complaints about him

{{vm.hiddenReplies[16226] ? 'expand_more' : 'expand_less'}} hide replies show replies
sacredceltic sacredceltic April 16, 2013 April 16, 2013 at 10:39:06 PM UTC link Permalink

No he isn't and doesn't. All he wants is power to advance the agenda of a small group of vengeful geeks...

{{vm.hiddenReplies[16228] ? 'expand_more' : 'expand_less'}} hide replies show replies
Vortarulo Vortarulo April 19, 2013 April 19, 2013 at 5:20:59 PM UTC link Permalink

Why oh why do I have the impression that you're describing yourself here?

Further up the thread you were asked to provide some evidence of Alan being arrogant or rude or showing unfit behavior. I never noticed such a thing from him. I'd like to see that evidence as well. (forgive me if I have overlooked any evidence you might already have given)

But you're probably right on one point: there really should be at least one native French speaker with a rank of Corpus Maintainer. [but this is probably more suitable for a thread of its own]

sacredceltic sacredceltic April 16, 2013 April 16, 2013 at 10:40:30 PM UTC link Permalink

>"self-proclaimed native" = every user of Tatoeba who states their native language

And you know this more than anybody else since you already claimed several nativeness in as many profiles...

{{vm.hiddenReplies[16229] ? 'expand_more' : 'expand_less'}} hide replies show replies
window window April 26, 2013 April 26, 2013 at 6:15:31 PM UTC link Permalink

What on earth does "several nativeness" mean?

{{vm.hiddenReplies[16357] ? 'expand_more' : 'expand_less'}} hide replies show replies
sacredceltic sacredceltic April 26, 2013 April 26, 2013 at 7:30:56 PM UTC link Permalink

Several contributors on Tatoeba claim multiple "native ness" ie. having been born in a multilingual environment and acquired the same level in all of them. After having known and seen many children growing up in up to three languages, I'm unconvinced that one can ever reach a real "native" level in several languages. There's always a language of reference...and in several cases, I have even seen children ending up with no "native" level in any of their languages...

{{vm.hiddenReplies[16359] ? 'expand_more' : 'expand_less'}} hide replies show replies
FeuDRenais FeuDRenais April 26, 2013 April 26, 2013 at 10:05:37 PM UTC link Permalink

And when you add to that the fact that non-native speakers sometimes speak better than native ones, it becomes a true mess for the brain to digest!

{{vm.hiddenReplies[16360] ? 'expand_more' : 'expand_less'}} hide replies show replies
sacredceltic sacredceltic April 27, 2013 April 27, 2013 at 12:30:29 AM UTC link Permalink

That's just a particular case of my general assertion above : you can have NO native level at all, even when you learnt only one language. In this case - not so rare - many non-natives master your language better than you do...
I know a Romanian native who apparently speaks better French than I do, although I doubt he's as good at argot as I am...and slang is an essential part of a language...
All the other claimants I know - and there are galore - are still far from there, regardless of how much they admire themselves...

alexmarcelo alexmarcelo April 16, 2013 April 16, 2013 at 9:22:59 PM UTC link Permalink

Again, I'd really appreciate his help, but you don't need to be a CM to correct abandoned sentences. Regular members can do it, too.

{{vm.hiddenReplies[16212] ? 'expand_more' : 'expand_less'}} hide replies show replies
liori liori April 16, 2013 April 16, 2013 at 9:44:10 PM UTC link Permalink

Ah, I forgot about that, thank you for remindering.

{{vm.hiddenReplies[16213] ? 'expand_more' : 'expand_less'}} hide replies show replies
sacredceltic sacredceltic April 16, 2013 April 16, 2013 at 10:13:32 PM UTC link Permalink

reminding...

{{vm.hiddenReplies[16222] ? 'expand_more' : 'expand_less'}} hide replies show replies
liori liori April 16, 2013 April 16, 2013 at 10:37:32 PM UTC link Permalink

That's why I don't add my own supposed-to-be-English sentences to the database ^^

Thank you.

{{vm.hiddenReplies[16227] ? 'expand_more' : 'expand_less'}} hide replies show replies
sacredceltic sacredceltic April 16, 2013 April 16, 2013 at 10:43:01 PM UTC link Permalink

You'd better advise your friends to do the same...

AlanF_US AlanF_US April 16, 2013 April 16, 2013 at 3:37:48 PM UTC link Permalink

Thanks for the introduction, Alex! As you say, my reason for asking for this status is the ability to change or delete abandoned sentences. I wouldn't do that without justification, and I'd be sure to follow Tatoeba protocol. In particular, I'd always leave a comment beforehand and would make sure that two weeks had elapsed before I took action. The immediate trigger for my request was my recent discovery that a user had left 40+ English sentences missing proper capitalization and punctuation and hadn't responded to any of the comments anyone left for him/her. A corpus maintainer was nice enough to respond to my Wall message and change the sentences according to the comments that we had left, but I'd rather not increase anyone's workload if it's not necessary.

Thanks for the kind words from those who have already responded.

{{vm.hiddenReplies[16194] ? 'expand_more' : 'expand_less'}} hide replies show replies
Shishir Shishir April 16, 2013 April 16, 2013 at 4:57:44 PM UTC link Permalink

Hey Alan, you could also have a look at these English sentences, there are more than one thousand that request the proofreading of a native.

http://tatoeba.org/spa/tags/sho...tive_check/eng

{{vm.hiddenReplies[16195] ? 'expand_more' : 'expand_less'}} hide replies show replies
AlanF_US AlanF_US April 16, 2013 April 16, 2013 at 5:55:20 PM UTC link Permalink

I'll be glad to look at these. I'll send you a private note with some questions about the process used to tag these sentences and the best way to handle them.

{{vm.hiddenReplies[16196] ? 'expand_more' : 'expand_less'}} hide replies show replies
Shishir Shishir April 16, 2013 April 16, 2013 at 8:21:46 PM UTC link Permalink

Thank you ☺ Sure, ask anything you want, I'll do my best to help.

alexmarcelo alexmarcelo April 16, 2013 April 16, 2013 at 6:38:00 PM UTC link Permalink

Alan, you don't really need to be a corpus maintainer to deal with abandoned sentences. You can adopt them and correct them accordingly. Another thing you should know is that we avoid deleting sentences at any cost. We just to it when a sentence doesn't make any sense at all. Sometimes we don't understand a sentence not even in our native language, but that doesn't mean it should be deleted. It might be written in a different dialect.

{{vm.hiddenReplies[16198] ? 'expand_more' : 'expand_less'}} hide replies show replies
AlanF_US AlanF_US April 16, 2013 April 16, 2013 at 9:59:07 PM UTC link Permalink

I agree that we should try to avoid deleting sentences. When it comes to abandoned sentences, however, I'm not sure whether we're using the term the same way. I know that I can adopt orphaned sentences (those that have no owner) without being a corpus maintainer. The ones that are problematic and that I'd like to have CM status in order to handle are those owned by "absentee" or "deadbeat" parents who ignore the comments left on their sentences for more than two weeks, probably because they've left the site indefinitely.

tommy_san tommy_san April 18, 2013 April 18, 2013 at 3:05:31 AM UTC link Permalink

There are lots of things you could do here, and it's important to decide the priority.

What I personally expect you to do is to improve the orphan sentences and the sentences with a "@needs native check" tag that have already translated into a number of languages. Having many translations means that many people have found them worth translating, and they're more likely to be good sentences, even if the English ifself is wrong or weird. I think these are the sentences that need to be worked on most urgently.

When the problem lies only in punctuations or spellings, you can simply adopt and correct it. When the sentence is not necessarily wrong but is different from what you'd say, it would be better to leave it as it is and translate one of its translations into English. Also when the sentence doesn't make sense, you shouldn't correct it unless you're sure that all its translations will match your new sentence. It must be better to add a new one. This is not what anyone can do since it requires the ability of translation, but I believe you're apt for it because you seem to be quite good at many (or at least several) languages.

Maybe you could make a list of these sentences and start working on it.

What do you think?

al_ex_an_der al_ex_an_der April 16, 2013 April 16, 2013 at 7:49:10 PM UTC link Permalink

I support Alan's request.

liori liori April 16, 2013 April 16, 2013 at 9:49:05 PM UTC link Permalink

I cannot judge his contributions, but I'd like to remind that AlanF_US contributed to our GSoC application. Just my 3 cents.

{{vm.hiddenReplies[16214] ? 'expand_more' : 'expand_less'}} hide replies show replies
sacredceltic sacredceltic April 16, 2013 April 16, 2013 at 10:16:48 PM UTC link Permalink

and how is that relevant ? Programming doesn't help maintaining corpora...

{{vm.hiddenReplies[16223] ? 'expand_more' : 'expand_less'}} hide replies show replies
FeuDRenais FeuDRenais April 16, 2013 April 16, 2013 at 10:24:30 PM UTC link Permalink

*maintain

liori liori April 16, 2013 April 16, 2013 at 10:44:13 PM UTC link Permalink

That action shows that AlanF_US cares about the whole project, not only about the corpus.

Also, actually, programming does help with corpus maintenance. We couldn't cooperate on creating such a huge database without computer software, and Tatoeba website is software. If you deny that, you should probably start creating new corpus in your notepad.

{{vm.hiddenReplies[16231] ? 'expand_more' : 'expand_less'}} hide replies show replies
sacredceltic sacredceltic April 16, 2013 April 16, 2013 at 10:49:40 PM UTC link Permalink

it's like those who manufacture paper should be the best writers...sure !

{{vm.hiddenReplies[16233] ? 'expand_more' : 'expand_less'}} hide replies show replies
liori liori April 16, 2013 April 16, 2013 at 11:07:53 PM UTC link Permalink

I fail to see an analogy here, could you explain?

{{vm.hiddenReplies[16234] ? 'expand_more' : 'expand_less'}} hide replies show replies
sacredceltic sacredceltic April 16, 2013 April 16, 2013 at 11:13:57 PM UTC link Permalink

think twice, I'm sure you can do it...

Is the guy who builds houses the best guy to control its inhabitants ? Hello...

{{vm.hiddenReplies[16235] ? 'expand_more' : 'expand_less'}} hide replies show replies
liori liori April 16, 2013 April 16, 2013 at 11:26:10 PM UTC link Permalink

An architect is certainly in position of making the life of inhabitants easier… somehow I think though this wasn't what you had in mind.

Hello, nice to meet you.

{{vm.hiddenReplies[16237] ? 'expand_more' : 'expand_less'}} hide replies show replies
sacredceltic sacredceltic April 16, 2013 April 16, 2013 at 11:33:24 PM UTC link Permalink

when did you last see an architect checking the life of inhabitants of their creations ?

{{vm.hiddenReplies[16239] ? 'expand_more' : 'expand_less'}} hide replies show replies
liori liori April 16, 2013 April 16, 2013 at 11:39:07 PM UTC link Permalink

Do you want to say that people who programmed Tatoeba do not care about Tatoeba contributors?

{{vm.hiddenReplies[16240] ? 'expand_more' : 'expand_less'}} hide replies show replies
sacredceltic sacredceltic April 16, 2013 April 16, 2013 at 11:46:38 PM UTC link Permalink

I think you have difficulties to understand English, so it's useless to debate...
That would account for all your past agressivity...

{{vm.hiddenReplies[16241] ? 'expand_more' : 'expand_less'}} hide replies show replies
marcelostockle marcelostockle April 16, 2013 April 16, 2013 at 11:51:54 PM UTC link Permalink

Could you answer liori's question?
It was directed at you, and it seems you are very wrong in your judgement. So, carry on.

{{vm.hiddenReplies[16243] ? 'expand_more' : 'expand_less'}} hide replies show replies
sacredceltic sacredceltic April 17, 2013 April 17, 2013 at 12:01:34 AM UTC link Permalink

To be a programmer of a poker-gaming website doesn't make you a good poker player nor does it make you a good dealer...
Easy to understand, no ?
I know it frustrates your group of amateur programmers that people can coin sentences without programming, but that the way it is.
You should live with it...

{{vm.hiddenReplies[16244] ? 'expand_more' : 'expand_less'}} hide replies show replies
marcelostockle marcelostockle April 17, 2013 April 17, 2013 at 12:04:42 AM UTC link Permalink

I think you have difficulties to understand English, because that's not what he asked you.

{{vm.hiddenReplies[16245] ? 'expand_more' : 'expand_less'}} hide replies show replies
FeuDRenais FeuDRenais April 17, 2013 April 17, 2013 at 12:17:29 AM UTC link Permalink

I'm sorry for correcting people's English on the wall, but just since both you and SC have now used this and because some English learners might start to think it's correct:

*"have difficulties understanding English" ("have difficulties to understand" is not correct)

Sorry, again. I don't mean to play the know-it-all.

sacredceltic sacredceltic April 17, 2013 April 17, 2013 at 7:28:05 AM UTC link Permalink

He asked me : "could you explain". I do. So I perfectly understood.

Programming a service for the public doesn't qualify you to control the service usage by the public, no more than building water pipes qualifies the builders to control the public's water use.
If you can't understand that, as obviously you don't, then I suggest you should go and program your own private service and I promise I won't use it...

Until then, and for the purpose of this public service, programmers won't control languages and contributors and I'm convinced this is a very good thing, because in my experience, programmers are very bad at French...

{{vm.hiddenReplies[16249] ? 'expand_more' : 'expand_less'}} hide replies show replies
liori liori April 17, 2013 April 17, 2013 at 5:42:40 PM UTC link Permalink

Ah, finally you expressed your concerns in a clear way.

I don't know how did you associate “being a programmer” with “controlling” anyone. It's just an additional skill that might be useful.

Let me give an example. Using qdii's tatoparser and its regexp engine we found on IRC that there are sentences that start with a space character. This problem is not visible in HTML, but it may potentially hinder the deduplication process. All this thanks to programming skills of a contributor.

Do you still think that “Programming doesn't help maintaining corpora”?

{{vm.hiddenReplies[16274] ? 'expand_more' : 'expand_less'}} hide replies show replies
sacredceltic sacredceltic April 17, 2013 April 17, 2013 at 6:59:26 PM UTC link Permalink

You really don't read English properly...

I never associated programming to controlling.
It's you who said Alan_US should be a Corpus Maintainer because he is a programmer. And that doesn't make sense. Programming skills are irrelevant to Corpora control.
Of course, algorithms help with Corpora maintenance, otherwise Tatoeba would be useless, and I wouldn't be there, obviously...
But programming algorithms has nothing to do with being a Corpus maintainer. Or you don't understand what a Corpus maintainer is...
The programmers deliver tools for whoever in the world, and then people use these tools to do what they have to do.
Corpus maintainers - not programs - decide what is incorrect or not and should be corrected in Tatoeba Corpus. That requires LINGUISTIC skills and -long- experience. And that is way more complex than parsing invisible spaces...
If you believe in robotic translation and language checking, then you're just a dreamer. Languages are mainly idiomatic protocols that algorithms can't grasp, until the day when they become humans and that is still far and far away from now...and then they'll decide that our languages are completely ridiculous and inefficient and they will all switch to lojban...

So, to come back to the difference in between a programmer and a corpus maintainer, for instance, Dominiko has programmed a very good robot that checks the orthography of French, Esperanto (and maybe other languages, I don't know...) sentences. He is not a Corpus maintainer and never requested to be one (although he is certainly more experienced on Tatoeba than Alan_US is), because that is not his purpose. Not being a Corpus maintainer won't make him deliver less algorithms for the good of Tatoeba. It's just disconnected. The same way pipe builders do not bother to control if I take showers or baths...It is not necessary for the pipes to function.
Maybe some marketing maverick, soon..., will want to charge water differently according to its use (I might do that myself when I think of it...), but he won't be a pipe builder either...
People have different roles and skills in society, and programming is just one of them.
The day the Earth is only populated with programmers, I'll move to another planet...

{{vm.hiddenReplies[16277] ? 'expand_more' : 'expand_less'}} hide replies show replies
FeuDRenais FeuDRenais April 17, 2013 April 17, 2013 at 7:13:28 PM UTC link Permalink

> It's you who said Alan_US should be a Corpus Maintainer because he is a programmer.

That's not what liori said. What liori (and what I, coincidentally) said was: the fact that he's helped or is willing to help with coding shows that he cares about the project. And that's a plus for being a CM.

And then you proceeded to digress this argument into god-knows-what, like you always do. It's a lame tactic.

{{vm.hiddenReplies[16279] ? 'expand_more' : 'expand_less'}} hide replies show replies
sacredceltic sacredceltic April 17, 2013 April 17, 2013 at 7:28:05 PM UTC link Permalink

stop insulting me, like always...
How many of your avatars will you use this time to harass and insult me ?

sysko sysko April 17, 2013 April 17, 2013 at 7:28:46 PM UTC link Permalink

As I think both of you have already quite explained your point of view on this specific point, if you need to express to the other what he may have misread /misunderstand please use private message. (Of course the please is purely polite)

{{vm.hiddenReplies[16281] ? 'expand_more' : 'expand_less'}} hide replies show replies
sacredceltic sacredceltic April 17, 2013 April 17, 2013 at 7:33:34 PM UTC link Permalink

Oh I'm sure yet another member of the multiple -profiles-linguists-programmers-dream-team will ask me for more explanations on this wall...and I'll have to respond, then...It never ends...

sacredceltic sacredceltic April 16, 2013 April 16, 2013 at 11:49:35 PM UTC link Permalink

or maybe it's with logic, that you have difficulties...or both...

alexmarcelo alexmarcelo April 21, 2013 April 21, 2013 at 12:23:36 AM UTC link Permalink

Since I've received some private messages from other CMs with good arguments about his request, I'd rather wait a little longer before making AlanF_US a corpus maintainer.

I've taken this decision because he hasn't really added many comments in incorrect sentences asking for changes, and besides, there's just too much he can do with his current status before we can give him the next one.

I'd be really glad if he could spend some of his time maintaining abandoned sentences (according to what he wrote, that's one of his main purposes), and he does't need to be a CM to do that.

As for deleting sentences, I doubt we'll need to to this very often.

I sincerely hope he can keep up with the good job so we can have this discussion again.
Alex

{{vm.hiddenReplies[16324] ? 'expand_more' : 'expand_less'}} hide replies show replies
AlanF_US AlanF_US April 21, 2013 April 21, 2013 at 4:52:52 AM UTC link Permalink

Thanks for the consideration and the summary, Alex. I had actually thought that my request would go into a longer queue, so I'm fine with the decision to wait. Just to reiterate and clarify: my primary reason for requesting CM status was not to delete sentences, and not to adopt sentences with no owner (which I know I can do already), but to correct sentences that have an owner who is known but unresponsive. However, there are plenty of other tasks that I can do, and if other CMs don't mind my adding to their workload by having them fix the sentences on which I've left comments, that's fine with me.

Thanks to Alex and everyone else who shared their kind words and encouragement!