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alpha44 alpha44 October 13, 2013 October 13, 2013 at 6:33:14 PM UTC link Permalink

I'd like to let something TOTALLY clear here in this "public" wall: The Tatoeba's main idea is (yes, it becomes a person as well which has a soul - a heart too?) is to try to be " a large database of example sentences translated into several languages." Yes, that's a fantastic idea. I personally don't remember a kind of "dictionary" like that. We always see in everywhere "word translated from A into B, or A into C, etc". And there is a plus: Everyone is helping the Project AND the Tatoeba. There are many websites using officially or not officially the Tatoeba's corpus. How was that build? By members that, despite of their problems (personal/familiar/), want to help to build by translating and commenting. So, everyone (see: everyone) builds this website.

However, it seems that from the last months until today, just ONE person - he mentioned my name but c'mon, I'm a human so I won't decrease my "level" - is deciding the future of this website. How? In his OWN message, he says that he will publish the candidature in the wall if he (yes, he, él, ele, lei, aftos, il, etc) approves. So... what? Is Tatoeba made by everyone or just by one person? Sincerely, I'm not sure...

I know I'm far to know everything, to know, sometimes, the basic. I know that I make several mistakes but I ALSO know that I'm making my best all the time. And, now, I propose this: if someone don't want me here anymore (and lol, I called many people to come here - about 30), just reply this message saying "I don't want you here anymore" and the reason. Well, if I'm here to be more helpful as I can and I'm not being, so, I go out. I'll upset, of course, because I BELIEVE in this project. I don't believe - UNFORTUNATELY - in some people who are here. But, it's a part of the life.

Some people congratulated me for my promotion because I thought in quit my account and go away. But I'm not a hacker which tried to promote myself. I asked another opinions (another opinionS) and now, here I am. or I was.

That's it. So, it's a "bye" or just a "hey, come here".

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alexmarcelo alexmarcelo October 13, 2013 October 13, 2013 at 7:38:21 PM UTC link Permalink

In fact, I congratulate you for your message. I just wish you had replied to my PM before bringing this to the wall.

Let's start with the current procedure of a change of status. When I first accepted the task (actually, it was given to me), I asked TRANG how I should handle this kind of discussion. She said I should be reasonable. I believe if she decided to give me the admin status, she did it because she trusted me. The thing is we BOTH agreed with the procedure we've been following.

Just to make it clear: yes, I just bring a request to the wall if I feel like the user is ready. But to know that, I do a lot of research and try to avoid personal judgement. In fact, some users who are now corpus maintainers had their requests denied a few months ago and are great in what they do today. We wouldn't need an admin for this task if it was that simple.

Unfortunately, when you asked to become a CM or an AC, you didn't seem to understand basic concepts such as linking/unlinking or even tagging sentences. Recent threads on the wall are proof. The fact that you make mistakes is OK, as long as you don't lead other users to make the same mistakes.

I was really sad when I saw what happened because the rules were not followed. It shouldn't have been different with you because you're not different from other users who also want to become advanced contributors or corpus maintainers. To tell you the truth, very few users had their requests denied since I've been responsible for this task, but they had the sensibility to understand and recognize why I did that.

You acted childish. I sent you a long and detailed message six days ago explaining all the reasons you're not ready to become an advanced contributor or a corpus maintainer, but instead of an answer, all I got were messages such as this: http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/2777155
Now, all of a sudden, you're an advanced contributor and has already messed up some sentences with incorrect tagging.

Last, I don't want to sound disrespectful, but you shouldn't talk about things you don't know anything about. No, I'm not "deciding the future of this website" (I don't even have time to do that). I'm just doing the job I was asked to do, and if you guys think I'm not doing it right, I don't mind to have the admin status removed. In fact, I've been doing everything I could to make Tatoeba a better place to work in, and it was never my intention to insult you or make you leave. However, I'm human, just like you said, and it kind of discourages me when I read such comments.

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alpha44 alpha44 October 13, 2013 October 13, 2013 at 7:47:24 PM UTC link Permalink

"I feel like the user is ready. " is that a kind of " try to avoid personal judgement."? Sorry, I didn't know this. And I am a child? YES, as EVERYBODY. People "increase" their status. They were born babies. They become babies+childs. After they become teenagers+childs+babies. If someone never had been a baby, so there is a big problem.

And c'mom, I PM someone to say that I make some mistakes to try to write in a phillosophic way. So, the sentence http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/2777155 ISN'T for you. How could you think something like that???

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alexmarcelo alexmarcelo October 13, 2013 October 13, 2013 at 7:50:45 PM UTC link Permalink

Enjoy your new status, Ricardo. I'm done with you.

nancy nancy October 14, 2013 October 14, 2013 at 2:56:50 AM UTC link Permalink

Ricardo
Cuando vamos a dar un examen o buscar un trabajo a nadie le importa nuestro corazón o nuestra alma sino nuestro desenvolvimiento. Yo solo voy a apuntar a lo que me compete, usted tiene todo el derecho de poner tags en las frases en portugués que considere correctas, pero es ilógico poner la tag Ok en un frase que no está en su idioma, más allá de estar muy claro en la guía que usted mismo me mandó para que lea. Ante esta situación creo que debería quitarla y tener esto en cuenta de ahora en adelante.

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alpha44 alpha44 October 22, 2013 October 22, 2013 at 11:46:59 AM UTC link Permalink

Nancy, há um tipo de "ser" que trabalha sem coração (ainda): robôs. Creio que nem todos aqui sejam robôs, certo? (Acho...)

2ª: Coloquei a tag Ok pq eu te conheCIA. Sabia que suas frases em espanhol estavam boas. Ou seja, confiaVA em você.

Isso não importa mais. Não sou mais AC e já abandonei o Tatoeba. Fiquem felizes.

alpha44

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nancy nancy October 22, 2013 October 22, 2013 at 4:56:37 PM UTC link Permalink

Lamento mucho lo sucedido, pero todo pasó porque es difícil para algunos hacerse cargo de los errores.
Usted no se hace cargo del error de haber puesto la tag ok en frases de un idioma que no es el suyo y el que lo promovió también cometió un error al promoverlo sin seguir las reglas. Reglas con las que no estoy de acuerdo, pero al fin y al cabo son así.
Por otro lado es una pena que no aproveche el sitio para seguir aprendiendo, parece que para muchos sin promoción este sitio no sirve.