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Good contribuion. Sounds just like Moscow "official" accent from Soviet movies.
"CC BY-NC"?
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Pardonu ke mi ne klare diris. Mi komprenas CC BY-NC sed mi estas konfuza ke "NC" povas uzi en Tatoeba.
+1. I also think that non-free audio is against the main idea of Tatoeba.
+1. Ja też myślę, że niewolne audio zaprzecza głowną ideą Tatoeby.
> Trang, the founder of the Tatoeba project, has expressed
> the goal as follows: "... we gather a lot of data, try to organize
> it, ensure it is of good quality and make it freely accessible,
> downloadable and redistributable, so that anyone who has
> a great idea for a language learning application (or a language
> tool) can just focus on coding the application and rely on
> us to provide data of excellent quality."
Note the "freely accessible, downloadable and redistributable" part. The non-free audio certainly contradicts this. I hope that in the future non-free audio will be replaced by alternatives under free licenses.
The best part of Tatoeba is that is allows to re-use data. And the non-free audio is impossible or hard to reuse, which greatly limits its usefulness.
+1, I agree with every single point
There are some people who are willing to contribute but don't like the idea that other people make money using their recordings. That's why we let each contributor choose a license themselves.
Should we reject their contributions and delete 174,000 recordings in 18 languages from Tatoeba?
> There are some people who are willing
> to contribute but don't like the idea that
> other people make money using their
> recordings.
If someone is willing to contribute something that is against the idea of the project, we shouldn’t accept it.
If I wanted to contribute sentences but didn’t like the idea of someone making money off my sentences, I wouldn’t be allowed to contribute CC-BY-NC sentences. So why audio should be an exception?
> Should we reject their contributions and
> delete 174,000 recordings in 18 languages
> from Tatoeba?
Well, maybe deleting them right away is impractical, but it would be nice to:
— gradually replace them with free alternatives, and delete non-free audio once a free alternative is available,
— generally encourage people to use free licenses and explain why free culture is important.
Audio is an exception because it's not mentioned in the current terms of use. Tatoeba hadn't been allowing reuse of audio for a long time. On February this year, one of the admins asked all identified audio contributors to choose a Creative Commons license if they are willing to let the audio files be used outside tatoeba.org. Since then, new audio contributors are also told that they can release their files under any CC license if they want.
I see no point in deleting existing audio (unless they are of bad quality). Audio with a a BY-NC license are available in noncommercial websites and apps, and that's already rather great, isn't it?
You sound as if you're accusing people who has chosen a BY-NC license of not being generous enough. I don't think we should treat our contributors like that. I'm deeply grateful to lovermann and all the other contributors of audio and I hope other members of the community feel the same.
> not mentioned in the current terms of use
That’s why I’m talking about 'the idea' and not 'the rules'. The spirit, not the letter. Well, at least that’s how I understand it.
> that's already rather great, isn't it?
Not really. To me, it’s like adding copyrighted sentences on site. Of course, it’s cool to have audio and sentences from printed books, but if the price is re-usability of data, this price is way too high.
> You sound as if you're accusing people
> who has chosen a BY-NC license of not
> being generous enough
I’m not accusing anyone. It’s just sad that Tatoeba is slowly shifting towards being a non-free-culture website.
Just to clarify, Tatoeba is not against CC-BY-NC.
I'm not sure why you refer to CC-BY-NC as non-free actually, because this license still allows other projects to reuse the data, as long as it's for non-commencial purpose.
I actually think that ideally, each contributor should be able to choose under which license they want their data to be.
The reason why Tatoeba's data is limited to CC-BY is because we don't have the proper implementations to handle different types of licenses.
I've had plans for a long time to allow this, so that we can have sentences in CC-BY-SA (this would allow us to import a huge amount of data), or CC-BY-NC or CC-BY-SA-NC. But this obviously makes sharing our data a bit more complex and it will take time to implement the right feature for it. Time that I don't have...
> I'm not sure why you refer to CC-BY-NC as non-free
I’m using this definition of 'free': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_content
http://freedomdefined.org/Definition
Thanks, lovermann!