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TRANG TRANG October 30, 2015 October 30, 2015 at 10:35:58 PM UTC link Permalink

** Tatoeba Day #10 **

Tatoeba Day starts now and as usual will end in 24 hours!

If you don't know what Tatoeba Day is about, you can find information about it here:
http://en.wiki.tatoeba.org/arti...ow/tatoeba-day

The rules remain the same as usual but for this Tatoeba Day, I would like to raise awareness about one thing.

Tatoeba hugely lacks developers. For those of you who have been participating to the previous Tatoeba Days, you may have noticed that the number of opened issues keeps increasing time after time. There is a lot more suggestions and bugs being reported than there are people to implement/fix them.

Therefore for this Tatoeba Day, I would like us to have a bit more focus on solutions to find more developers to work on Tatoeba.
Maybe you have programming knowledge yourself and could possible help for certain things? Maybe you know people who would be interested to code for the project? Or maybe you have some ideas of how to attract developers?

If that is the case, then let me know!

Happy Tatoeba Day!

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Ricardo14 Ricardo14 October 31, 2015 October 31, 2015 at 1:27:27 AM UTC link Permalink

1st request:

https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2/issues/651 "Allow rich text in messages"

Ricardo14 Ricardo14 October 31, 2015 October 31, 2015 at 1:28:09 AM UTC link Permalink

2nd request

https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2/issues/334 "Button to copy a sentence into clipboard"

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TRANG TRANG October 31, 2015 October 31, 2015 at 6:13:36 PM UTC link Permalink

I have started an implementation for this. I've used clipboard.js so it will not work for Safari.

The feature has to be enabled in the settings:
http://prntscr.com/8xiiix

The dev website (http://dev.tatoeba.org) has been updated so you can test the feature there.

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Ricardo14 Ricardo14 October 31, 2015, edited October 31, 2015 October 31, 2015 at 6:28:55 PM UTC, edited October 31, 2015 at 6:29:30 PM UTC link Permalink

Thanks a lot, Trang! It works perfectly!

AlanF_US AlanF_US October 31, 2015 October 31, 2015 at 9:40:23 PM UTC link Permalink

It works, but it should really have a tooltip. I see one for the audio icon, but not for the new one.

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TRANG TRANG October 31, 2015 October 31, 2015 at 10:30:32 PM UTC link Permalink

I've added the tooltip.

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AlanF_US AlanF_US November 1, 2015 November 1, 2015 at 1:22:53 AM UTC link Permalink

Looks good, thanks!

cueyayotl cueyayotl October 31, 2015 October 31, 2015 at 1:41:10 AM UTC link Permalink

A way to remove a single sentence from a list, without having to browse through the list.

We now can see which lists the sentence belongs to. How about a link to remove the sentence from the list (if the list is ours, or is collaborative).

Also, language filter for lists.

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CK CK October 31, 2015, edited December 9, 2016 October 31, 2015 at 1:52:49 AM UTC, edited December 9, 2016 at 2:28:26 PM UTC link Permalink

[Removed by CK. This link was no longer valid.]

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cueyayotl cueyayotl October 31, 2015 October 31, 2015 at 12:06:17 PM UTC link Permalink

It definitely helps :) thank you!

Ricardo14 Ricardo14 October 31, 2015 October 31, 2015 at 2:00:10 AM UTC link Permalink

@cueyayotl I opened a ticket for this -> https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2/issues/895

odexed odexed October 31, 2015, edited October 31, 2015 October 31, 2015 at 2:24:23 AM UTC, edited October 31, 2015 at 2:28:40 AM UTC link Permalink

How about automatic capitalization of the first letter for new sentences in the languages that have capital letters? It would be easy to code, I think but it would save a lot of time for corpus mantainers since there will be no need to change them.

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Ricardo14 Ricardo14 October 31, 2015 October 31, 2015 at 2:43:18 AM UTC link Permalink

I opened a ticket for this - https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2/issues/896

Lazovic Lazovic October 31, 2015 October 31, 2015 at 2:57:43 AM UTC link Permalink

Request #1: https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2/issues/677
"Private lists"

Request #2: https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2/issues/334
"Button to copy a sentence into clipboard"

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TRANG TRANG October 31, 2015 October 31, 2015 at 6:14:20 PM UTC link Permalink

Request 1 will be too long to implement today.

For request 2, cf. my reply to Ricardo:
https://tatoeba.org/eng/wall/sh...#message_24758

cueyayotl cueyayotl October 31, 2015 October 31, 2015 at 12:04:37 PM UTC link Permalink

Contribute >> Translate Sentences >> Display random sentences

Would it be possible to add more possibilities? 20, 35, 50, 75, 100?
Quite often 15 has not been enough.

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CK CK October 31, 2015, edited October 30, 2019 October 31, 2015 at 12:21:41 PM UTC, edited October 30, 2019 at 10:33:27 AM UTC link Permalink

[not needed anymore- removed by CK]

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cueyayotl cueyayotl October 31, 2015 October 31, 2015 at 12:33:09 PM UTC link Permalink

That's definitely good for translation purposes, however sometimes when studying languages with others, I search random sentences often to find a structure with which I am not familiar with in the target language. I usually have to refresh the Display random sentences a few times before finding anything.

marafon marafon October 31, 2015 October 31, 2015 at 2:20:52 PM UTC link Permalink

There used to be a warning message after clicking the translation button. Something like "Are you sure you understand this sentence? If not you should return and choose the sentence in a language you understand and want to translate... Please don't forget the punctuation and the capital letters." Unfortunately I don't remember the exact wording anymore but I guess this message might be stored somewhere in the Launchpad archive because it has been translated into many languages.
Somehow, I believe it should be restored. It would prevent the newcomers of doing the bad linking, as is the case in 50% of new users' entries.

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TRANG TRANG October 31, 2015 October 31, 2015 at 4:08:04 PM UTC link Permalink

We removed it because it was actually not very efficient. Users in general don't read such messages.

If we want to prevent newcomers of adding translations to the wrong sentence, we need to think of a better interface for doing translations.

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odexed odexed October 31, 2015, edited October 31, 2015 October 31, 2015 at 4:16:33 PM UTC, edited October 31, 2015 at 4:22:45 PM UTC link Permalink

Why not forbid the new users to translate from the language they didn't mention in their settings? Maybe it would help them to understand how the system works. It could be even a temporal restriction. For example, first two weeks they are meeting with the site and we just prevent them from making mistakes.

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marafon marafon October 31, 2015 October 31, 2015 at 4:32:54 PM UTC link Permalink

That's a good idea.

TRANG TRANG October 31, 2015 October 31, 2015 at 6:18:30 PM UTC link Permalink

I've created an issue for this:
https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2/issues/897

marafon marafon October 31, 2015, edited October 31, 2015 October 31, 2015 at 4:36:04 PM UTC, edited October 31, 2015 at 4:43:02 PM UTC link Permalink

OK, but possibly it was just better than nothing. It seems that things have gotten worse since then.

TRANG TRANG October 31, 2015 October 31, 2015 at 10:33:53 PM UTC link Permalink

Tatoeba Day is now over. Thanks for your participation!

Tatoeba will be updated on November 3rd.
https://github.com/Tatoeba/tato...nes/2015-11-03

Next Tatoeba Day is scheduled on November 14th.

Hybrid Hybrid October 31, 2015, edited October 31, 2015 October 31, 2015 at 11:12:12 PM UTC, edited October 31, 2015 at 11:12:43 PM UTC link Permalink

Thanks a lot for your commitment to Tatoeba! And also thanks to all the developers!