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maaster maaster February 28, 2016 February 28, 2016 at 7:44:09 AM UTC link Permalink

Might I ask of you Russians if It's possible to use "ё" instead of "e" in certain case.
I use Tatoeba to learn Russian and unlike you, the use of letter "ё" is not always unequivocal for me.

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odexed odexed February 28, 2016, edited February 28, 2016 February 28, 2016 at 8:17:27 AM UTC, edited February 28, 2016 at 8:20:47 AM UTC link Permalink

Outside textbooks or educational materials (I mean in a normal running texts for adult native speakers, in the business, academic and journalistic literature), the letter "ё" is seldom used by native speakers and it's written as letter "е", without the dots. It's still pronounced the same way as the form with ё. For example, лёгкий ‎(ljóhkij) is commonly written “легкий ‎(lehkij)”, although still pronounced as the former.

So you should pronounce "легкий" as if it were written as "лёгкий". Both spellings are correct. It's confusing but that's the way it is. I can suggest you to use my sentences when you are not sure about some word. I always try to use "ё" in my sentences. https://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/of_user/odexed

You can also check the word on http://forvo.com/search if you are not sure about the pronunciation.

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maaster maaster February 28, 2016 February 28, 2016 at 8:36:42 AM UTC link Permalink

Спасибо и pеспект!

al_ex_an_der al_ex_an_der February 28, 2016 February 28, 2016 at 1:46:07 PM UTC link Permalink

> I always try to use "ё" in my sentences.
Thank you. That's really helpful.
Спасибо. Это очень полезно.

Wezel Wezel February 28, 2016 February 28, 2016 at 10:06:09 AM UTC link Permalink

I always use ё, too. :)

Karok Karok February 28, 2016 February 28, 2016 at 11:24:31 AM UTC link Permalink

+1 I do use ё in translations because I don't want people to think too much over sentences like "скоро страна передохнет от мороза". But I never use it when I make notes for myself.

sharptoothed sharptoothed February 28, 2016 February 28, 2016 at 5:22:01 PM UTC link Permalink

Unlike my kind colleagues I don't always use ё and I can't promise I will. That's not because I'm insensitive to the problems of learners. I just want to write sentences the way I do it in real life focusing on more important aspects like naturalness and accuracy.

I think it would be more practical and useful for Russian language learners if our great programmers implemented editable alternate script feature for Russian that would allow us to provide versions of original sentences with all ё's and stress marks on every word.

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gillux gillux February 28, 2016 February 28, 2016 at 7:46:04 PM UTC link Permalink

How easy do you think it is to generate stressed versions of sentences?

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sharptoothed sharptoothed February 28, 2016 February 28, 2016 at 8:09:30 PM UTC link Permalink

It depends on how accurate the result should be. The most simple algorithm is as easy as finding each word in dictionary based on full accentuated paradigm. This method is fast but it's accuracy is limited by dictionary size. In addition, it can't deal with homographs. More accurate approach involves deep morphological and semantic analysis. Unfortunately, there are no usable Russian analyzers in public domain that I'm aware of.

maaster maaster February 29, 2016 February 29, 2016 at 5:48:33 PM UTC link Permalink

Всем спасибо за реакции!