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I think English sentences should also be controlled on Tatoeba by native English speaking corpus maintainers.
Now this task is done about 90% by non native speakers.
I've been seeing Alan doing a lot of the work. More helpers would be very welcome.
• Everyone can use the comment section to suggest corrections.
• Everyone can use the rating system.
• Advanced contributors can put @change tags.
• Corpus maintainers can apply necessary changes for inactive members.
[not needed anymore- removed by CK]
Do you comment, rate or tag the ones that you do not think are okay?
If the wrong ones or the ones supposed to be wrong are tagged, it's not really enough, I think.
I can't still be sure that the rest is fine since not all sentences are checked and fixed.
There are some languages in which each sentence written these days are checked.
But it doesn't work in every language.
(E.g. all sentences in Danish written by non native speakers are tagged. Well, those sentences are much rarely than those in English.)
Of course I saw them.
Perhaps, this tag can be for others disturbing, ones can think those sentences are correct and the other ones aren't.
(I know what that tag is, I've asked you about two, three years ago.)
Thank you, Pfirsichbaeumchen. I just want to add the following:
(1) If you think there's an error in a sentence, but you're not a native speaker of the language it's written in, you can always add the "@check" or "@needs native check" tag as an alternative to "@change".
(2) Whether or not you leave a tag, you should leave a comment. These are more likely to be seen than tags.
Yes, he does, I can see it as well (and sometimes Objectivesee does it too).
And also Patgfisher and cueayotl did it.
(And what I can see yet, even the tagged sentences of mine wouldn't be checked.)
I think as in some other languages, it would be nice if the English sentences written by non native speakers were tagged with OK (or with change) in order that other users also know whether the sentence is O.K.
In many cases, English sentences of non natives are ignored, even if they are wrong.
For statistics, there currently are (rounded to one significant digit):
* 50 000 orphan English sentences: https://tatoeba.org/deu/Activit..._sentences/eng
* 80 English sentences with the @change tag: https://tatoeba.org/deu/Tags/sh...th_tag/561/eng
* 6 English sentences with the @check tag: https://tatoeba.org/deu/tags/sh...th_tag/841/eng
* 50 English sentences with the @needs native check tag: https://tatoeba.org/deu/Tags/sh...h_tag/1207/eng
The amount of orphan sentences is huge, but the other task queues are in very good shape, I would say.
Thanks for the analysis, Thanuir. I believe the number of orphan sentences in English will always be high because:
- the backlog is so high (50,000 would require a year's worth of effort at the rate of 136 per day, which would require hours' worth of work)
- the task of dealing with them is laborious and involves so many judgment calls
- the benefits are relatively small
- there's no good way of sorting out the ones that have been looked at from the ones that haven't
There are many orphan sentences that are grammatically correct but that I would not want to adopt, for one reason or another:
- they're a little unnatural or just old-fashioned
- they reflect a sentiment that I don't agree with
Having said that, I do adopt orphan sentences from time to time. I just don't consider adoption of those sentences as a high priority compared to other tasks that I could be doing, such as marking or fixing incorrect sentences.
my two cents to add some more info to this analysis: there are 19 orphan sentences contaning audio, which might be useful to English learners because they contain audio (there are users who use this as thrr main element for translating native sentences, afaik): https://tatoeba.org/ita/sentenc...sort=relevance