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sabretou sabretou April 15, 2020, edited April 15, 2020 April 15, 2020 at 2:32:32 PM UTC, edited April 15, 2020 at 2:34:40 PM UTC link Permalink

Flag update proposals:

Hello! I'd like to present a few flag updates for the languages here, and I'd like your feedback on them!

There are 5 flags in all that I would like to change, and you can view them in this gallery: https://imgur.com/a/aN9g2MZ

== Gulf Arabic ==

This is a minor update to bring this flag in line with the other flags having similar language-code design. The only real change is the font of the language code.

== Arabic ==

The current Arabic flag has strong aliasing, which makes the edges of the font look very rough. I also thought that the shade of green used was too bright to properly contrast with the white text.

My proposed flag uses a darker shade of green for greater contrast and smoother text.

== Dutton World Speedwords ==

The current flag uses gradient colours of indeterminate origin. My updated flag uses a yellow-on-black design that is in line with the cover of Reginald J. G. Dutton's seminal book "Teach Yourself Dutton Speedwords".

== Old Spanish ==

This is a minor fix. I have only moved the flag to be left-aligned (as if on a flag pole), rather than centre-aligned. This brings it in line with the flag of Nepali and Old Norse, which are both also non-rectangular flags.

== Sanskrit ==

The present flag uses the Devanagari and Kannada letters of mismatched size. I cannot determine why the Kannada letter 'ka' is being used here, as Sanskrit is used far more frequently in other scripts. Besides, we seem to stick to using the Devanagari script for Sanskrit on Tatoeba anyway.

The new flag uses the Devanagari letter 'सं', which I chose over writing out the name of the language, as the latter option was a lot more illegible. The field colour of the flag has been updated to use the saffron colour found in the flag of India (which is the only country to recognise Sanskrit in an official capacity). The letter सं uses a shade of grey for contrast and aesthetic purposes.

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Ricardo14 Ricardo14 April 21, 2020 April 21, 2020 at 11:41:00 AM UTC link Permalink

Thanks a lot, sabretou!

As far anybody else opposed to these changes, I opened a ticket on GitHub - https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2/issues/2292 - and I'm going to submit a PR soon :)

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sabretou sabretou April 21, 2020 April 21, 2020 at 12:04:47 PM UTC link Permalink

I'm terribly sorry for this confusion, but I have since made updates to the flag proposals.

One of them in particular, for Arabic, had an incorrect spelling which was thankfully brought to my notice by Amastan.

I was going to make a Github issue soon, but thank you for saving me the work. :)

Could you please update the Github issue with the following flags?

https://imgur.com/a/zV2MnQp

Notes on the updated flag proposals:

== Gulf Arabic ==

No new changes.

== Arabic ==

Fixed spelling.

== Cayuga ==

The flag now uses the same colour as that of the Iroquois Confederacy flag, which is where we got the symbol from.

== Lower Sorbian ==

The symbol on the flag has been centred to be in view, in keeping with similar flags that use a symbol flag and a language code together.

== Dutton World Speedwords ==

No new changes.

== Scots and Scottish Gaelic ==

The Scottish flag has been compressed to be more obvious.

== Kamba ==

Fixed the language code font.

== Naga (Tangshang) ==

Switched to a neutral language code flag. The original flag belonged to a militant group named National Socialist Council of Nagaland, that designated as a terrorist organisation by India. It may not be in our best interest to use such a flag.

== Old Spanish ==

No new changes.

== Sanskrit ==

Used a better display font.

== Tahaggart Tamahaq ==

Fixed the language code font.

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Ricardo14 Ricardo14 April 21, 2020 April 21, 2020 at 5:08:00 PM UTC link Permalink

No problems :) I'm glad I could help somehow

Yorwba Yorwba April 21, 2020 April 21, 2020 at 8:45:06 PM UTC link Permalink

> == Naga (Tangshang) ==

> Switched to a neutral language code flag. The original flag belonged to a
> militant group named National Socialist Council of Nagaland, that designated
> as a terrorist organisation by India. It may not be in our best interest to use such a flag.

In other such cases the procedure has been to get feedback from native speakers and make sure the flag used is one they can identify with. Did you try contacting Naga speakers to find out what they think about the change?

FWIW, there's an officially recognized Naga Self-Administered Zone in Myanmar, whose flag might be a less politically controversial choice. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N...inistered_Zone

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sabretou sabretou April 21, 2020, edited April 21, 2020 April 21, 2020 at 10:51:11 PM UTC, edited April 21, 2020 at 10:53:27 PM UTC link Permalink

We have two native speakers of Naga (Tangshang) on Tatoeba, but they were not contacted. I will do so to determine the best flag.

That said, black-on-white language code flags are intended to be temporary until a more representative flag can be determined or designed with the advice of native speakers.