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Could somebody please change the flag for "Low German" (nds)?
Currently Tatoeba uses the flag of the German Bundesland Lower Saxony to signify the language. That's not entirely unreasonable as the flag contains the "Saxon Steed" (<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saxon_Steed>) which was the symbol of the ancient Saxons, and Low German (or Low Saxon as it is also called) has it's base in the language of the Saxons.
The problem is in the German flag underneath. Low Saxon is not only spoken in Germany but also the Netherlands (and to a lesser degree in several other countries).
Therefore I suggest to drop the background and to use the coat of arms in the foreground only. That should be much more inviting for Dutch Low Saxon contributors.
I also suggest to change the English designation "Low German" to "Low Saxon" because the term "Low German" is based on a notion that Dutch Low Saxon is a dialect of Dutch while German Low Saxon is a dialect of German which is nonsense from a lingustic point of view. Both are dialects of the same language divided by a national border and the term "Low Saxon" reflects their common heritage.
Btw: Somehow Tatoeba eats up greater than signs and incorporates them into links (Therefore the correct link is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saxon_Steed ). I don't think that ">" is an allowed symbol in links. At least the standard behavior for renderers is that "<" and ">" are used as delimiters for links and are not incorporated into it. This could perhaps be fixed.
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I have no strong preference, "Coat of arms of Lower Saxony.svg" is okay. "Coat of arms of Kent.svg" looks nice too, but Kent is Anglo-Saxon and not Low Saxon. Therefore "Westfalenpferd.JPG" would be my second choice.
The "Saxon Steed" is not exactly a recognizable symbol of the language, but it's the closest that exists. Ideally, of course, the habit of symbolizing languages with flags of political entities should be abolished completely.
flags are irrelevant to represent languages. Only ISO codes make sense and are recognised internationally. I can't see why Tatoeba would set an exception against all other international institutions.
Furthermore, when there are 30+ translations for a sentence, flags even stop being an interesting visual help.
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>The current logo for nds is problematic (if you permit the notion) in its own right.
As is the British flag for English when there are other languages on the British Isles, or the Indian flag for Hindi, the Popular Republic of China's flag for Mandarin, etc...
I have no problem with the flags.
>I have no problem with the flags.
Because you're neither Welsh, Tamil or Cantonese...
> I have no problem with the flags.
+1
nor Chechen, Yakut or Kalmuk...
Find a Chechen, Yakut or Kalmyk who objects to marking the Russian language with the current Russian flag first, please.
it's hard to find a Chechen objecting to anything actually, thanks to Putin...
+1
nor Swiss...
Why chose a subject like that to troll about when there are so much better ones… like the Spanish vs Castilian (español vs castellano) one. :oD
Yes, we can change the icon. Should we use the image xeklat suggested? Or do you have something better? Remember that language icons size are only 30x20... I'm not sure it's going to render very at a smaller scale.
I'm also okay to change the name from "Low German" to "Low Saxon". I'll change it right now.
>I'm also okay to change the name from "Low German" to
>"Low Saxon". I'll change it right now.
Thanks. I guess, it will only be visible later? At the moment it still says "Low German" on the live page.
The Saxon Steed from the Lower Saxon coat of arms in flag form would be this:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wik...flagg2.svg.png
Doesn't render super-well in the small size, but I guess it's okay.
I had update Tatoeba to display "Low Saxon" instead of "Low German" but sacredceltic reminded me that the language name will then appear in English for people who have the interface in other languages than English.
I'll wait until we put the latest translations in Launchpad before I change the name in Tatoeba.
Okay, thanks.
I'm fine with xeklat's proposed flag. Arcticmonkey liked it too and samueldora also had no objections. So I guess we kinda reached a consensus.
I hope that's a sound base to change the flag.
Die derzeitige Flagge wird so auch auf einer Seite des NDR verwendet. Die Bedenken, damit Platt als deutschen Dialekt zu kennzeichnen, teile ich zwar, aber die niedersächsische Flagge ist auch nur begrenzt richtig, da in anderen Bundesländern, z. B. Westfalen, ebenfalls Platt gesprochen wird.
Hest du di maal dat Wapen von Westfalen ankeken? ;-) Witt Peerd op roden Grund.
Ik heff't baven ja al seggt: dat Peerd is dat ole Symbool von de Sassen. Un de Sassen hebbt överall dor seten, wo vondaag Platt snackt warrt.
Dat weet ik wal. Daorüm es dat Piärd ja auk up de äölen Flaggen. Dat de düütsken Klörn dao unner sünt, het twe Vüördeele. To'n eenen wuist dat daodrup hen, dat Platt küern (aor snacken) to Düütskland häört äs Oktoberfest un Jodeln, to'n annern weet en Butenlänner up dat iärsten Hänkieken, in wecke Giegend van de Wiält he düsse Spraoken seuken mot. Dat schall kiene Holländers aor Amerikaners aor Brasilianers, de Platt kürt, iutsluten.
Aower maket, wat ji wult.
Dit "to Düütskland häörn" is aver dat Probleem. För de Nedderlandschen sütt dat ut, as wenn de Spraak "to Düütskland häört". Un föhlt sik villicht utslaten. Ik deed mi op jeden Fall en beten utslaten föhlen, wenn de Flagg en nedderlandsche Flagg mit Sassenpeerd dor op weer...
Ich finde die Flagge, die xelat oben vorgeschlagen hat, gut (weißes Sachsenross auf rotem Grund). Dieses Motiv steht für das frühmittelalterliche Sachsen. Damit wären auch die Niederländer, Amerikaner und Brasilianer eingeschlossen. Ein größerer gemeinsamer Nenner wird sich wohl nicht finden lassen.
Summary: I agree to slomox' suggestion concerning the low saxon flag.