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Aiji Aiji antaŭ 27 tagoj, modifita antaŭ 27 tagoj 2020-marto-09 04:53, modifita 2020-marto-09 11:40 link permalink

What's New on Tatoeba? - Your weekly recap °7


UPDATES

※ Moved the copy button out of "experimental options". It's now a full feature in its own.

※ Corrected searches using the "owned by a self-identified native speaker". Thanks to TRANG for reporting, and rumpelstilzchen and gillux for solving the issue.

※ Corrected a bug where encoding of CSS files were wrongly interpreted. Thanks to Pandaa and Yorwba for reporting and rumpelstilzchen for the fix.

※ Modified the informative message on the downloads page. It now displays the correct time at which files are available (6:30 a.m. UTC)


ON THE WALL

※ Scuba was wondering how we should translate Japanese sentences, where subjects or objects are so often implied, into languages like English. https://tatoeba.org/fra/wall/show_message/34330

※ maaster asked for some explanation about the German "sage mal so" https://tatoeba.org/fra/wall/show_message/34344

※ sacredceltic started a discussion about removing links. https://tatoeba.org/fra/wall/show_message/34350


CONTRIBUTIONS AND LANGUAGES

※ Added stemming to Greek, Tamil, Basque, Hindi, Arabic, Catalan, Nepali, Irish and Lithuanian. See gillux's explanation for more details https://tatoeba.org/fra/wall/show_message/34326

※ On conlangbecca's request (on GitHub), Ladino sentences written in Hebrew are now displayed from right to left.

15 372 sentences added this week (from one export to another). You can check daily activity on this page https://tatoeba.org/eng/contrib...ivity_timeline

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If you'd like to help to the development of Tatoeba, report issues, or are just curious, have a look at the GitHub repository: https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2

If you want to help us translate the website to your language, you can join us on Transifex: https://www.transifex.com/tatoe...ite/dashboard/ and check this article on the wiki https://en.wiki.tatoeba.org/art...ce-translation

If you're especially happy with one of the updates, don't hesitate to personally thank our developers :) They're working in the shadow but they'll be glad to hear your feedback.

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Fun fact: False cognates are pairs of words that seem to be related, because of similar sounds and meaning, but have different etymologies. For example, the English "much" and Spanish "mucho" come from completely different Proto-Indo-European roots.


Last week recap: https://tatoeba.org/fra/wall/show_message/34309
See this recap on the blog: https://blog.tatoeba.org/2020/0...y-recap-7.html

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Rockaround Rockaround antaŭ 25 tagoj 2020-marto-11 08:47 link permalink

Merci pour le récap' !

sharptoothed sharptoothed antaŭ 26 tagoj 2020-marto-10 13:16 link permalink

* Tatoeba Top 30 Languages Interactive Graphs *

Tatoeba Top 30 Languages Interactive Graphs have been updated:
https://tatoeba.j-langtools.com/igraph/
https://tatoeba.j-langtools.com/igraph/share.html

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Ricardo14 Ricardo14 antaŭ 25 tagoj, modifita antaŭ 25 tagoj 2020-marto-10 18:39, modifita 2020-marto-10 18:39 link permalink

Thank you so much! :)

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sharptoothed sharptoothed antaŭ 25 tagoj 2020-marto-11 08:04 link permalink

You're welcome :-)

Pfirsichbaeumchen Pfirsichbaeumchen antaŭ 29 tagoj, modifita antaŭ 29 tagoj 2020-marto-07 02:48, modifita 2020-marto-07 02:53 link permalink

Small Snow: https://tatoeba.org/user/profile/small_snow

[JPN] 日本語コーパス整備員候補者
Small Snowは、非アクティブなメンバーが所持する例文を必要に応じて改善できる日本語コーパス整備員になりたいと志願しています。従来通り、プライベートメッセージでフィードバックをお寄せください。(このメッセージの文末にあるリンクをクリックしてください。)

[EPO] Kandidato por iĝi bontenanto de la japana frazaro.

Small Snow kandidatas por iĝi bontenanto de la japana frazaro kaj do helpi la korektadon de eraraj frazoj de anoj ne plu aktivaj. Kiel ĉiam ni invitas ĉiun komenti pri tio en privata mesaĝo (simple alklaku la ligilon je la fino de ĉi tiu mesaĝo).

[ENG] Corpus Maintainer Candidate for Japanese.

Small Snow is offering herself as a corpus maintainer for Japanese to help apply necessary corrections to sentences owned by inactive members. As usual, you are all invited to give us your feedback in a private message (click on the link at the end of this message).

[DEU] Korpuspflegerkandidatin für das Japanische.

Small Snow kandidiert, um Korpuspflegerin für das Japanische zu werden und bei der Korrektur fehlerhafter Sätze nicht mehr aktiver Mitglieder zu helfen. Wie immer ist jeder eingeladen, sich hierzu in einer Privatnachricht an uns äußern (einfach auf die Verknüpfung am Ende dieser Nachricht klicken).

https://tatoeba.org/deu/private...rsichbaeumchen

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Pfirsichbaeumchen Pfirsichbaeumchen antaŭ 26 tagoj, modifita antaŭ 26 tagoj 2020-marto-10 12:15, modifita 2020-marto-10 12:16 link permalink

[JPN] Small Snowは日本語コーパス整備員に任命されました。

[EPO] Small Snow nun estas bontenanto de la japana frazaro.

[ENG] Small Snow is now a corpus maintainer for Japanese.

[DEU] Small Snow ist jetzt Korpuspflegerin für das Japanische.

😊

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TRANG TRANG antaŭ 26 tagoj 2020-marto-10 15:46 link permalink

良かったですね :)

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small_snow small_snow antaŭ 25 tagoj, modifita antaŭ 25 tagoj 2020-marto-10 18:37, modifita 2020-marto-10 19:13 link permalink

ありがとうございます。
まだまだ分からないところも多くご迷惑をおかけすることもあろうかと思いますが、Tatoebaでの活動を楽しみながら、出来ることを少しずつ増やしていけたらいいなと思っています。今後ともご指導ご鞭撻のほどよろしくお願いいたします。

small snow

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Aiji Aiji antaŭ 25 tagoj 2020-marto-10 21:56 link permalink

おめでとうございます!素晴らしい :D
質問あれば、遠慮なく連絡してくださいね。

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small_snow small_snow antaŭ 25 tagoj 2020-marto-10 23:48 link permalink

@Aiji

ありがとう。頼りにしています。
またいろいろ教えてください。:)

Ricardo14 Ricardo14 antaŭ 25 tagoj 2020-marto-10 18:38 link permalink

おめでとう!:D

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small_snow small_snow antaŭ 25 tagoj 2020-marto-10 18:40 link permalink

Thanks!

AlanF_US AlanF_US antaŭ 25 tagoj 2020-marto-11 01:28 link permalink

Congratulations!

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small_snow small_snow antaŭ 25 tagoj 2020-marto-11 02:45 link permalink

Many thanks! :)

CK CK antaŭ 26 tagoj, modifita antaŭ 25 tagoj 2020-marto-10 11:14, modifita 2020-marto-11 10:50 link permalink

** English sentences with audio,
** linked to 9 or more languages,
** but not yet translated into your language.

http://goo.gl/zP1V2i

I added 6 versions of this search to the top of this page.


Updated on March 11, 2020, 10:50 UTC to also include a useful search form.

AlanF_US AlanF_US antaŭ 27 tagoj 2020-marto-08 20:54 link permalink

The "Copy sentence" button to the right of each sentence suddenly stopped working. This seems to be the case in both Firefox and Chrome on Windows. I rely on this button heavily, so I hope it can be fixed soon.

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TRANG TRANG antaŭ 27 tagoj 2020-marto-08 21:42 link permalink

It seems it is not working only on the sentence's page. On other pages it works fine.

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marafon marafon antaŭ 27 tagoj 2020-marto-08 21:56 link permalink

It doesn't work on the user's sentences page, too. For instance,
https://tatoeba.org/fra/activit...of/felix63/fra

gillux gillux antaŭ 27 tagoj 2020-marto-09 06:02 link permalink

Thanks for reporting the problem, Alan. It should be fixed now.

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AlanF_US AlanF_US antaŭ 27 tagoj 2020-marto-09 16:05 link permalink

It is indeed. Thanks for letting me know, and thanks also to Yorwba for creating the issue ticket and to AndiPersti for fixing the problem.

fjay69 fjay69 antaŭ 27 tagoj 2020-marto-09 13:50 link permalink

Русский корпус Tatoeba по числу предложений обогнал итальянский корпус и теперь уступает только английскому корпусу. Ура, товарищи!

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CK CK antaŭ 27 tagoj, modifita antaŭ 27 tagoj 2020-marto-09 14:18, modifita 2020-marto-09 14:20 link permalink

There are alternative ways to rank languages.

Here is just one.

Searches for "owned by a self-identified native" with links to another sentence.
With this metric, Russian is not as far behind English as you might first think.

832,918 English sentences
https://tatoeba.org/eng/sentenc...e=yes&from=eng

640,090 Turkish sentences
https://tatoeba.org/eng/sentenc...e=yes&from=tur

618,299 Russian sentences
https://tatoeba.org/eng/sentenc...e=yes&from=rus

555,825 Italian sentences
https://tatoeba.org/eng/sentenc...e=yes&from=ita

357,660 German sentences
https://tatoeba.org/eng/sentenc...e=yes&from=deu

302,858 French sentences
https://tatoeba.org/eng/sentenc...e=yes&from=fra

293,095 Portuguese sentences
https://tatoeba.org/eng/sentenc...e=yes&from=por

229,756  Spanish sentences
https://tatoeba.org/eng/sentenc...e=yes&from=spa

199,751  Hungarian sentences
https://tatoeba.org/eng/sentenc...e=yes&from=hun

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fjay69 fjay69 antaŭ 27 tagoj 2020-marto-09 15:07 link permalink

There is what to strive for)

Ricardo14 Ricardo14 antaŭ 30 tagoj 2020-marto-06 00:48 link permalink

*New stuff to be translated on Transifex*

New content has been added on Transifex (the default.pot has been updated since new features are coming up). Please, have a look and translating the remaing strings ( ~10)

>> https://www.transifex.com/tatoe...ite/dashboard/

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Ricardo14 Ricardo14 antaŭ 27 tagoj, modifita antaŭ 27 tagoj 2020-marto-08 17:20, modifita 2020-marto-08 17:25 link permalink

Update

These languages have gotten the "Ready for Use" status (got all the strings translated):

- Breton
- Esperanto
- German
- Italian
- Portuguese
- Spanish
- Turkish

Source: https://www.transifex.com/tatoe...ite/dashboard/

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Ricardo14 Ricardo14 antaŭ 27 tagoj 2020-marto-09 02:00 link permalink

Dutch also got the "ready for use" status :D

fjay69 fjay69 antaŭ 27 tagoj 2020-marto-09 10:43 link permalink

Russian - ready to use.

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Ricardo14 Ricardo14 antaŭ 27 tagoj 2020-marto-09 11:28 link permalink

Awesome!

Hybrid Hybrid antaŭ 27 tagoj 2020-marto-09 00:40 link permalink

Hi,
I can't copy sentences anymore more the "Add new sentence" box.

TRANG TRANG 2020-februaro-26 11:57 2020-februaro-26 11:57 link permalink

**Need testing for new sentence design**

The migration towards the new sentence design is continuing. I think pretty soon the new design can be used as the default for regular contributors.

I have deployed new changes on the dev website: https://dev.tatoeba.org/

I still have a few things to fix but you can already start testing it and report issues.

For those who have the option enabled, the new design will be used on every page except for the sentence's page.

For those who do not have the option enabled, the new design will be used only on the random sentence, with a message informing that the new design will soon be rolled out.

If you have time, please test this everywhere you can think of.

Thanks!

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Ricardo14 Ricardo14 2020-februaro-26 12:11, modifita 2020-februaro-26 12:16 2020-februaro-26 12:11, modifita 2020-februaro-26 12:16 link permalink

I've tried three times to change the sentence on "Random sentence" and its flag. It keeps loading forever and just changed one sentence (Google Chrome Windows 7 - https://prnt.sc/r7x2l8 )

Same problem on Add sentences page.

1st - I've added a sentence
2nd - I changed its flag
3rd - I clicked on "save". Nothing changes and it keeps loading forever

https://prnt.sc/r7x4ka

However, if I go to the sentence's page, the flag I've chosen is displayed - https://dev.tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/7841209

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TRANG TRANG 2020-februaro-26 23:02 2020-februaro-26 23:02 link permalink

Thanks for testing. This should be fixed. Please have another try :)

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Ricardo14 Ricardo14 2020-februaro-26 23:29, modifita 2020-februaro-26 23:32 2020-februaro-26 23:29, modifita 2020-februaro-26 23:32 link permalink

That works smoothly now! Thanks a lot!!! :D

On "Add sentences page", I've added a sentence which exists on the database. It was displayed that it has 18 more translations but I couldn't see them even after clicking so many times - https://prnt.sc/r87hmg

Ricardo14 Ricardo14 2020-februaro-26 23:36, modifita 2020-februaro-26 23:41 2020-februaro-26 23:36, modifita 2020-februaro-26 23:41 link permalink

I've created a list on the "Random sentence" called Test New Design - https://prnt.sc/r87iqj However, when I look for it on "Browse by list page", it says that my list doesn't exist -https://prnt.sc/r87j9g

Also, the "link" button doesn't work even being a CM in there - https://prnt.sc/r87kkh

Just a thought - couldn't it be displayed by default - https://prnt.sc/r87jm2 -?

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TRANG TRANG 2020-februaro-26 23:51 2020-februaro-26 23:51 link permalink

Your list is a private list by default. You won't find it if you search in the public list. You'll find it in "My lists".

The "link" feature was not implemented yet. It's normal that the link is disabled. Features that are not yet implemented are: transcriptions, linking, copy and reviews. They will come later.

If we display the whole menu by default, the owner of the sentence is no longer visible by default and I'm not sure we want that. There is currently only one page where the whole menu is displayed by default: the "Adopt sentences" page (where sentences have no owner).

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Ricardo14 Ricardo14 2020-februaro-27 00:02 2020-februaro-27 00:02 link permalink

>Your list is a private list by default. You won't find it if you search in the public >list. You'll find it in "My lists".

I got the point, but this could be displayed to me with a label like "This is your private list"/"This is a private list which you created, so it'll be displayed to you only", I think..

> The "link" feature was not implemented yet. It's normal that the link is >disabled. Features that are not yet implemented are: transcriptions, linking, >copy and reviews. They will come later.

Oh, I see. Thanks for spotting this. Meanwhile, what could an user do to link sentences if he or she uses the new design?

>If we display the whole menu by default, the owner of the sentence is no >longer visible by default and I'm not sure we want that. There is currently only >one page where the whole menu is displayed by default: the "Adopt
> sentences" page (where sentences have no owner).

Oh, I see. Thanks :)

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TRANG TRANG 2020-februaro-27 00:14 2020-februaro-27 00:14 link permalink

> I got the point, but this could be displayed to me with a label like "This is
> your private list"/"This is a private list which you created, so it'll be
> displayed to you only", I think..

I think this would be a little bit of a waste of space. We should rather rework the "Search" feature in the "Browse by list" section. Currently if you search from the "Public lists", you only find public lists. If you search from "Collaborative lists", you only find collaborative lists. If you search from "My lists", you only find lists that you created. It's probably not very practical and not very intuitive either. As your have shown, it's quite likely that the user who makes a search wants to find lists in all of the categories, and not just the currently selected category.

But for your specific case, I think the best solution in my opinion is to make it possible to go to the list page from the list form, as mentioned in the "Improvements for another iteration" of the pull request for the list feature:
https://github.com/Tatoeba/tato...ssue-377094818

As mentioned though, this will be for another iteration...

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Ricardo14 Ricardo14 2020-februaro-27 01:25 2020-februaro-27 01:25 link permalink

Agreed :)

TRANG TRANG antaŭ 27 tagoj 2020-marto-08 19:33 link permalink

Regarding this:

> Just a thought - couldn't it be displayed by default - https://prnt.sc/r87jm2 -?

I tried to implement a solution so that the user can expand all menus and keep the state expanded from page to page.

Please have a try on the dev website and let me know if it feels intuitive enough.
https://dev.tatoeba.org/

In general, if you can, please test again the new sentence design everywhere you can and let me know if there are other issues.

Thanks!

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Ricardo14 Ricardo14 antaŭ 27 tagoj 2020-marto-08 21:29 link permalink

Whoa! That's really amazing, thank you!

Just some notes I took during the tests I was running

1 - It's not that clear how to close the "list box" after choosing one.
https://prnt.sc/rdh5fp

A possible solution: turn the "close" button from white and black - https://prnt.sc/rdh65z into green and white


2 - Take the sentence https://dev.tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/2504640
We're used to have the sentence in black. Why are some strings in green and some others in grey? https://prnt.sc/rdh65z

3 - The "i" icon doesn't show anything unless you click on it. Perhaps it could be added a tool tip?

https://prnt.sc/rdh7se

4 - Isn't possible to type the language we want instead of always having to scroll down the page to the language we're looking for? >> https://prnt.sc/rdh89f

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TRANG TRANG antaŭ 27 tagoj 2020-marto-08 21:49 link permalink

Thanks for testing Ricardo.


1. Would adding a "X" icon next to "Close" make it clearer? For instance: https://imgur.com/a/qh0O5AM

2. You posted the wrong screenshot. I'm not sure what is the problem...

3. We can add a tooltip yes. Would "Go to the sentence page" be clear enough?

4. I'm able to type. I'm not sure why you can't. Do you have the same problem for the language selector in the search bar?

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Ricardo14 Ricardo14 antaŭ 27 tagoj 2020-marto-08 21:57 link permalink

1 - yes, that's a great option :)

2 - sorry about that. That's the correct screenshot - https://prnt.sc/rdhhyg

Basically, "Translations" and "Translations of translations" could be green as the sentence ID and the username - https://dev.tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/4368122

3 - Sure!!!!

4 - I'm sorry. I was using a "customized Chrome" that doesn't that. In regular Chrome I can do so :)

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TRANG TRANG antaŭ 27 tagoj 2020-marto-08 21:59 link permalink

> Basically, "Translations" and "Translations of translations" could be green

We cannot use green because green is the color for links. The sentence ID and the username are clickable and will go respectively to the sentence page and the user profile. "Translations" and "Translations of translations" are not links. They are just labels.

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Ricardo14 Ricardo14 antaŭ 27 tagoj 2020-marto-08 22:01 link permalink

Oh I see now :) Thanks

I'll keep testing

CK CK 2020-februaro-27 02:08, modifita 2020-februaro-27 09:18 2020-februaro-27 02:08, modifita 2020-februaro-27 09:18 link permalink

I tried testing by showing a list of sentences with tags, but this gets an error message.

https://dev.tatoeba.org/eng/tag...s_with_tag/121
Tag: Weather

It works now. (09:17:55 UTC)

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TRANG TRANG 2020-februaro-27 09:14 2020-februaro-27 09:14 link permalink

I'm not able to reproduce. Perhaps you ran into this error:
https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2/issues/1737

(Same for the pages you mentioned below.)

CK CK 2020-februaro-27 02:18 2020-februaro-27 02:18 link permalink

> For those who do not have the option enabled, the new design will be used only on the random sentence, with a message informing that the new design will soon be rolled out.

I tested this with "Display sentences with the new design" on and off and still don't see the new design.

https://dev.tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/random

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TRANG TRANG 2020-februaro-27 09:19 2020-februaro-27 09:19 link permalink

The sentence's page will remain with the old design until all the features are ported to the new design because it ensures that people who have the new design enabled can still access all the sentence features if they need to.

Features that are not yet implemented are: transcriptions, linking, copying and reviews.

TRANG TRANG 2020-februaro-27 19:16 2020-februaro-27 19:16 link permalink

Regarding:

> The sentence's page will remain with the old design

I decided in the end to use the new design on the sentence's page as well, since it's not the first time I get this comment.

For more details about the changes see the corresponding pull request:
https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2/pull/2168

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CK CK 2020-februaro-27 19:52 2020-februaro-27 19:52 link permalink

Note that my comment was specifically about the "random sentence" https://dev.tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/random .

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TRANG TRANG 2020-februaro-27 19:53 2020-februaro-27 19:53 link permalink

But the random sentence is the sentence's page. It just picks a random sentence number and redirects you to the page of that sentence.

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CK CK 2020-februaro-27 19:55 2020-februaro-27 19:55 link permalink

OK. I was just testing everything in the "Browse" menu, and you mentioned that the "random sentence" would show the new design and it didn't.

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TRANG TRANG 2020-februaro-27 19:58 2020-februaro-27 19:58 link permalink

Okay, sorry, I was not specific enough. What I meant is that only the random sentence on the *homepage* uses the new design for people who don't have the option enabled.

Ricardo14 Ricardo14 2020-februaro-27 20:49 2020-februaro-27 20:49 link permalink

Awesome! :D

sacredceltic sacredceltic antaŭ 29 tagoj 2020-marto-07 14:22 link permalink

PaulP a coupé des liens de traduction que j'avais établis, légitimement.
https://tatoeba.org/fra/sentences/show/3641960
Il fait ça pour des liens de traductions dont aucune n'est sa langue natale.
Il n'a aucune légitimité pour apprécier si le lien est légitime ou pas.
Le problème est aggravé par le fait que l'auteur des liens (moi) n'est jamais averti.
Je soupçonne que des centaines de liens vers mes phrases sont supprimés par PaulP.

Je demande à ce qu'on puisse disposer d'un état des suppressions de liens avec des statistiques par auteur des suppressions et par auteur des liens, de façon à pouvoir apprécier les quantités de dégâts causés.

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Thanuir Thanuir antaŭ 29 tagoj 2020-marto-07 15:42 link permalink

Täältä näkee joitakin uusimpia: https://tatoeba.org/spa/contrib.../of_user/PaulP

TRANG TRANG antaŭ 29 tagoj 2020-marto-07 15:48 link permalink

J'ai créé un ticket sur GitHub:
https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2/issues/2181

Pour ce qui est des statistiques, sharptoothed en propose déjà:
https://tatoeba.j-langtools.com...art/chart2.php
Dans le tableau il y a une colonne "Links / deleted".

Je crois que le chiffre en bleu est le delta par rapport à la semaine précédente mais je ne suis pas sûre. Vous pouvez demander à sharptoothed pour plus de précision. Il annonce régulièrement la mise à jour des statistiques:
https://tatoeba.org/eng/wall/me...r/sharptoothed

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sacredceltic sacredceltic antaŭ 29 tagoj 2020-marto-07 16:21 link permalink

Merci mais, en l’état, c’est un comme chercher une aiguille dans une botte de foin.
Je viens de regarder les statistiques de Sharptoothed et je suis tout simplement effaré par les quantités industrielles de liens détruits.
Établir un lien de traduction, c’est un travail patient à haute valeur ajoutée, qui nécessite souvent des atermoiements et de mûres réflexions. Les détruire, ça ne nécessite qu’un jugement superficiel et péremptoire et ça se fait en un clic.
C’est une guerre asymétrique...

sacredceltic sacredceltic antaŭ 28 tagoj 2020-marto-08 15:53 link permalink

J'ai une autre proposition : seul un contributeur avancé ou admin avec pour langue natale une des 2 langues du lien et un niveau 4/5 sur la 2e langue devrait pourvoir supprimer un lien entre 2 langues. Simple.

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sacredceltic sacredceltic antaŭ 28 tagoj 2020-marto-08 16:40 link permalink

Mais ça n'empêcherait pas de nécessiter un moyen de tout de même contrôler les suppressions de liens...