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New spammer!!
lovertina has just sent me a spam message... it's a pity this time it wasn't translated into Icelandic :P
It could be if you enter it as a sentence.
No we can't , copyright issue and so on :P
Merry Christmas et Joyeux Noel :)
halló
ég heiti Tina og rakst á prófílinn þinn í dag á tatoeba.org og þykir hann frábær og langar líka að vita meira um þig mér þætti vænt um ef þú sendir mér tölvupóst aftur í tölvupóstfangið mitt (...) svo ég geti gefið þér myndir af mér svo þú vitir hvern ég er, bíð bráðum eftir yndislegu svari þínu.
fröken Tina
Merry Christmas Shishir! Translated with grammatical errors and all.
(email address redacted as we wouldn't want the poor thing to be inundated with emails from people she hadn't so carefully selected to receive it)
:D Merry Christmas Swift!
SCAM - "CONTRIBUTOR"
lovertina
vor 8 Stunden
hello
my name is Tina i saw your profile today at tatoeba.org and i love it and i will also like to know more about you please i will like you to email me back with my email address (tina65koneh@yahoo.com) so that i will give you my pictures for you to know whom i am, waiting for your lovely reply soon.
miss Tina
C'est normal que le "drapeau" espéranto soit explicité par « Ca-caw » ?
Is it normal for the esperanto flag to be explained "Ca-caw"?
non, sacredceltic already noticed it earlier on the wall. He assumed that it probably was boracasli or some other troll. It's because the tatoeba launchpad is open to all, so you could easily correct it there (if noone already did) but you have to wait for an update to see the effect (it's not live).
I assumed nothing. In Launchpad, translations are signed.
The anti-esperanto lobby is just becoming hysterical on Tatoeba...
Oh, sorry, i just didnt want to look up your post. i should have writtten it that way. Your right.
But do you think that this was anti-esperantic? Or was this just vandalism like usual?
Boracasli, along with other contributors and corpus maintainers, has shown hysterical anti-Esperanto attitude from the beginning, writing anti-Esperanto sentences and comments on Tatoeba, that are probably still there.
For all of the "powerusers" in Tatoeba, another Usescript-"Schmankerl" ;)
*** Tatoeba Sentence Timeline ***
http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/121207
It places clones of the log entries and the tags chronologically between the comments. Click on the "Comments"-header to toggle the display of the logs and tags.
I hope you enjoy, and merry X-mas!
PS: I had again problems installing it in Chrome (don't exactly know why, it's the @require again), so please try several times before you complain, please.
the only missing feature is the display of the comments that stealth-prone users erase...
I won't be able to resurrect those ;) You'd have to ask sysko about that. But maybe we should just add a line about "don't delete your comment if not faulty" to the FAQ. they don't show if you're not logged in, right?
Superbe boulot, jakov !
Beau cadeau de Noël !
Merci !
Thank you Jakov! It's great! :)
Merry Christmas :)
Prima! Frohe Weinachten!
Thank you! You're welcome!
By the way, here's an example sentence for "Schmankerl":
http://tatoeba.org/deu/sentences/show/1317512
very very tiny update that prevents the user icons from beeing overwritten by the unknown user image.
Yet another new Userscript:
*** Taoteba Sentence Diff ***
http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/120560
Shows the changes in the sentence history (hover the reference element you want the others to be compared to).
This one too is a install and forget script! (no settings)
Enjoy!
PS: @sacredceltic, mi ja celas traduki la priskribojn germanen kaj esperanten, sed dume min koncentras al kodado.
Update:
Click to keep the selection. Click outside to unselect.
If none selected, changes are displayed from each one to the next (e.g. abc, abd, gbd => abc, abD, Gbd (instead of [abc], abD, GbD))
après la mise à jour (toujours magnifique !) le "visual linker" ne marche encore plus.
Faut-il tout remettre à jour à chaque fois ?
Hm, je pense que ce sont toujours des problemes de l'installation. J'ai aussi eu ce problème cette fois quand je le voulais prouver en chrome. Le Blank Canvas Script Handler ne cesseait a me dire qu'il serait en train de charger les @require scripts, donc peut-être il suffit de reinstaller le Sentece Diff Script.
funkcias se mi instalas la ligilojvidebligilo laste.
Nu, bone ke gxi nun funkcias; malbone ke gxi ne tuj funkciis. Cxu vi povus provi cxu ankoraux funkcias se vi sxangxas la vicon de la komenco de la skriptoj? (vi povas tion fari en la Blank Canvas Script Handler menuo) Ja estus eble ke unu malebligas la alian, sed se ne, nur estis instaloproblemoj.
Ja, vi pravas: se la videbla ligilebligilo estas la unua, ĝi ne funkcias, sed se ĝi estas la lasta, ĝi funkcias...
aŭ prefere, la videbla ligilebligilo?
Jes pli bone komprenebla, mi pensas.
Rigardu ekzemple http://tatoeba.org/epo/sentences/show/538021 por vidi la rezulton.
Magnifique !
Small update, so it will work on the "Tatoeba Timeline" userscript too.
(The problem was that in non-hover-mode, when the changes are highlighted from one step to the next, it didnt work, because there obviously were no changes from the the logs step to its clone in the "timeline".)
I'd like it if OK tags were removed automatically when sentences are altered.
And I would like to know, what does mean an OK-tag.
Und ich wüsste gern, was ein OK-Tag bedeutet.
Kaj mi deziras scii, kion signifas ok-etikedo.
Wenn ein Satz mit dem Tag "OK" versehen ist, dann heißt dies, dass ein anderer Nutzer diesen Satz als korrekt erachtet. Das ist zum Beispiel besonders nützlich, wenn der Autor des Satzes kein Muttersprachler ist. Shishir hat sich zum Beispiel freundlicherweise bereiterklärt, meine spanischen Sätze zu sichten.
Hier ein Beispielsatz mit OK-Tag:
http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/1309607
Das Problem ist, dass diese Bewertung natürlich nicht mehr zutrifft, sobald der Satz verändert wurde.
"Das ist zum Beispiel besonders nützlich, wenn der Autor des Satzes kein Muttersprachler ist." - Ohne Zweifel. Aber gibt es hier nicht eine unnötige Parallelität zweier gegensätzlicher Vorgehensweisen?
Falls ich einen Satz eingebe, der nicht in Deutsch (ist meine Muttersprache) oder Esperanto (beherrsche ich auf einem der Muttersprache nahekommenden Niveau), versehe ich ihn mit dem Etikett "@need native check". Hat den Satz ein Muttersprachler geprüft, wird er den Tag entfernen. Sollte ich danach noch etwas an dem Satz ändern (was recht unwahrscheinlich ist) werde ich wiederum "@need native check" anbringen. Ich hab auch bemerkt, dass mitunter auch Muttersprachler, diesen Tag ihren eigenen Sätzen verpassen, und zwar dann wenn sie im Alltag vorwiegend Dialekt oder eine regionale Umgangssprache sprechen, und sich daher nicht ganz sicher sind, ob ihre Formulierungen der hochdeutschen Norm entsprechen - und das finde ich sehr vernünftig. Auf diese Weise könnte jedes Problem gelöst werden, und eine genaue gegenläufige OK-Markierung wäre nicht nötig. Ich schrieb im Konjunktiv, da nicht jeder zum "Taggen" berechtigt ist. Hier könnte eine sinnvolle programmtechnische Kleinigkeit Abhilfe schaffen: 1. Jeder muss bei der Registrierung zwingend seine Muttersprache(n) angeben. 2. Das System registriert beim Eingeben von Sätzen eine Differenz zwischen Zielsprache der Übersetzung und Muttersprache des Mitarbeiters, und zeigt dies an indem es automatisch das Tag "@need native check" anhängt.
>Ich hab auch bemerkt, dass mitunter auch Muttersprachler, diesen Tag ihren eigenen Sätzen verpassen...
Soweit ich weiß, ist es technisch nicht möglich, seine eigenen Sätze mit "OK" zu taggen.
>Hier könnte eine sinnvolle programmtechnische Kleinigkeit Abhilfe schaffen...
Das wäre natürlich noch besser. Allerdings könnte man sich letztendlich auch auf dieses System nicht vollständig verlassen, weil die angegebene Muttersprache theoretisch falsch sein könnte. Es stellt sich auch die Frage, wer eigentlich ein Muttersprachler ist. Diesbezüglich gibt es ja unzählige Auslegungen. Im Übrigen machen auch Muttersprachler Fehler. Grundsätzlich finde ich deine Idee aber gut. Du kannst sie ja mal an Sysko herantragen.
http://tatoeba.org/eng/user/profile/sysko
"Ich hab auch bemerkt, dass mitunter auch Muttersprachler, diesen Tag ihren eigenen Sätzen verpassen..." - ich sprach hier vom Tag "@Needs Native Check", nicht vom OK-Tag.
Entschuldige bitte, ich hab mir zwischen dem Lesen und Antworten zu lange Zeit gelassen. :)
Zur Sache: Das mache ich auch gelegentlich, wenn ich mir nicht ganz sicher bin. Manche benutzen hierzu auch den Tag @check.
> Soweit ich weiß, ist es technisch nicht möglich, seine eigenen Sätze mit "OK" zu taggen.
Interessant! Ich dachte das das „OK“ Tag genau so gleich wie andere Tags sei. Habe gerade versucht ein meiner eigenen Sätze mit „OK“ zu taggen aber es ging nicht.
> die angegebene Muttersprache theoretisch falsch sein könnte. Es stellt sich auch die Frage, wer eigentlich ein Muttersprachler ist.
+1
This the reason why certain usées and corpus maintainers have multiple profiles, to Ok their own sentences, against the rules....
Ciao a tutti, hello everyone, 大家好! :)
Bienvenue !
Merci :)
benvenuta su tatoeba
Bem-vinda!
Willkommen!
欢迎！:)
Saluton kaj bonvenon!
i just discovered that this online dictionary: http://glosbe.com/ shows tatoeba sentences as example sentences
Glosbe aspire automatiquement tout ce qu'il trouve...avec de piètres résultats, jusqu'à présent...
De plus je trouve assez dommage qu'ils nous aient pas contacté, certes rien ne les en oblige, mais bon...
eh oui, de plus en plus de gens sont malpolis...
I feel I have to defend myself. I wrote about glosbe project several months ago on this wall. And I've read some upleasent words then (as I'm hearing now).
Probably I should have wrote day after we've made import, but as glosbe was found not very valuable I didn't want to be found being a spammer, writing about this project all the time. Glosbe was mentioned in the discussion and I've thought it's enoungh not to be called "malpolis".
Best regards
So, please accept my apologies, let me start again:
Hi, I'm involved in Glosbe project. We've recently imported Tatoeba data. Glosbe target is to build multilingual dictionary, something like wiktionary or omegawiki. Our target is to provide easy way to create/edit bilingual dictionaries translating even between most unique languages (there are more than 2000 languages right now on Glosbe, yet most of them represented poorly).
As it's nice to see how do words behave in sentences we're using parallel corporas available on liberal licenses on the net. Some of them is poor quality (like KDE manuals), some translations are very creative (like movie subtitles). Yet we still find them useful, at least for language pairs we can test, even if 20% of displayed sentences is not good. We've added tatoeba data, as it's very high quality and contains great amount of languages. I hope you don't mind. Each data displayed in glosbe comes with source indicator and (in most cases) with link. I hope, that presenting tatoeba links would make tatoeba more recognizable and would spread tatoeba idea.
Glosbe is very beta project. It's very young and currenlty under heavy development. In the begining of the New Year we're planning to add 'colaborative' feature to glosbe - users would be able to login with facebook/google/email and add/edit/remove translations. It should be easier than in wiktionary and more effective - adding one translation pair would create many translation pairs.
We're open to all ideas, we love to hear feedback, we want to make glosbe good and useful. If you'd like to help us: please contact us, using contact link on http://glosbe.com .
Best regards, and Merry Xmas
Hi urszula,
I do not represent Tatoeba of which I'm a mere contributor. My remark was my personal judgement. When I borrow from somebody (especially since what I borrow is preciously hand-made and, as you say, "very high quality"), I say "please" and "thank you", regardless of the license. You just did now. Fine.
Now I understand that you took it bad that I criticised the quality of your data.
I must say I've been observing your service for a while and I must say you have improved. I think your project is a good idea (and it has a nice mascot!)
However, when Tatoeba is Arts and Crafts, Glosbe is mass industrial production.
You inject masses of raw documents and focus on that quantity rather than on its analysis.
To illustrate my point, I looked up for the French word « guère », which I cherish and means [eng]"little"/"scarcely" and for which I created a number of entries in Tatoeba.
If I look up on Glosbe for the English definition and exemples of sentences and translations, I find this: http://glosbe.com/fr/en/gu%C3%A8re?page=0
There are a number of problems here:
1) most of the example sentences that are retrieved deal with « guérir »(=[eng] "to cure") or « guéri(e) » and have nothing to do with « guère », because you probably use raw SPHINX results...
2) some exemple sentences that you retrieve, particularly from Opensubtitles are rough, for the reason I mentioned in this discussion here http://tatoeba.org/fre/wall/sho...5#message_8675
and Glosbe offers a good illustration to my argument, for exemple :
[fra] "Le plus important c' est que tu guérisses" => [eng] "First you must get well, those terrible pains must disappear"
It's obvious that this English subtitle has little to do with the French...
3) I can't find all exemple sentences with « guère » from Tatoeba, and the examples you provide do not link directly to the sentence in Tatoeba but rather to the home page (a pity in my view, since you could also import our direct sentences' urls...)
And Tatoeba is not part of the list of your sources here http://glosbe.com/partners
4) Following with this same example, the definitions you provide are taken exclusively from Wiktionary and are unreliable (the main meaning of « guère »= [eng]"little" is not there)...and to top it, the Google translation of the word is plain wrong...
I am personnally very hostile to Wiktionary, which is full of mistakes and has no authority whatsoever and is completely irrelevant for French, in particular. I think you could find other available sources for definitions in each language.
To summarize, as you can see from this example (and I could take thousands of others with the same result), if I'm a native speaker of English and learner of French, your page on « guère » is not only inaccurate, it is plain misleading...
Again, I praise your idea and your efforts, and I must say that you have improved, particularly in your layout, but I consider Glosbe, as such, as an industrial tool that is usable only by experts who know its failings in order to be able to use it...
I recommend that you should better process the words and fsomehow filter your sources to retain only the relevant translations of good quality.
The present failings of Glosbe are the same failings that translations engines currently have : lack of language analysis.
Quality is better than quantity.
Finally, your objectives and principles are not clearly explained on your site. Do you have a non-commercial purpose? Who are you and how are you financed?
I hope we can collaborate in the future to provide better free service and language tools to the public.
Merry Christmas
Hi,
I'll try to make it short. Our main target is to provide dictionaries and this data is supposed to be as reliable as possible. It should be made editable in the beginning on 2012, so if there would be any mistakes or lack of some translations everyone is invited to improve our service. In this part of service quality is most important. However in Translation Memories, how we call pairs of translated sentences, quantity is the king. Sometimes you not really look for word, but rather for some inspiration, thats why we don't fight with not one-to-one exact translations. There are ways to improve quality of this part of system, but the price is to remove a lot of potentially useful translations, so we haven't decided to do it yet. As I said before: I think that having even 20% not-good-translations in this part of the system in my opinion still makes it useful.
We're a couple of people from Poland. Site was financed completely by us till December, but as costs was growing rapidly we've decided to add ads, as you can see right now (yet it's not self financing still). If the initiative is commercial - I don't know what to answer, we try to avoid adding CC-NC data as we've ads now. However the project is non profit and is free.
cool :)
Devo confessare che, da quando non è più possibile accedere alla lista globale dei contributori, ho perso molti stimoli a partecipare attivamente a Tatoeba... Mi rendo conto che si tratta di una sciocchezza, ma per me scalare quella lista fino ai primi posti costituiva un obiettivo sufficientemente galvanizzante. E credo proprio che, come me, molti altri rimpiangano quell'aspetto ludico e competitivo del sito...
beh, guardala così: più contribuisci, più risorse saranno disponibili agli altri
i just received a spam message by a user called mayinby (http://tatoeba.org/ita/user/profile/mayinby)
Me too. And the message was not only in English, but also in Icelandic. x_X
La islanda tre evidente modiĝas, almenaŭ en Afriko. Isländisch ist ganz offensichtlich im Kommen, zumindest in Afrika.
Icelandic is very obviously on the rise, at least in Africa.
:)))
Watch out for usernames such as princeofnigeria. :)
if only one Nigerian in 500 learned Icelandic, the number of speakers of that language would suddenly more than double!
it's a polyglot Nigerian. They improve...
it's a good thing that they're starting to have a passion for foreign languages, so tatoeba could have new contributors
Ankaŭ mi ricevis similan (sed kun pli eleganta teksto:) mesaĝon. Guglante la nomon mi trovis en tiu retejo priskribon de la trompo kaj leteron, kiu vi ricevus, kiam vi respondus:
I've got a similar message too (yet with a much more elegant text:). Googling the name I've found on this website* a description of this scam and a letter, you would get, if you answered:
Dearest,
Thanks for your mail and understanding, I really like to have a good relationship with you. I promise you all that makes up a defined and a refined relationship.
I decided to contact you because of the urgency of my situation here, I am Miss Mayinta Elliot Tapfumaneyi Manyika, 26 years old girl from Zimbabwe, the daughter of Late Elliot Tapfumaneyi Manyika Minister without Portfolio and the National political Commissar for ZANU-PF:
I am constrained to contact you because of the maltreatment I am receiving from my step mother; she planned to take away all my late father's treasury and properties from me since the unexpected death of my beloved Father.
Meanwhile I wanted to escape to the Europe, but she hides away my international passport and other valuable traveling documents. Luckily she did not discover where I kept my fathers file which contains important documents. So I decided to run to the Refugee Camp where I am presently seeking asylum under the United Nations High Commission for the Refugee herein Dakar Republic Of Senegal. I wish to contact you personally for a long term business relationship and investment assistance in your Country.
My Father of blessed memory deposited the sum of Six Million, Five Hundred Thousand Dollars ($6,500,000.00) in Senegal with my name as the next of kin. However, I shall forward you with the necessary documents on confirmation of your acceptance to assist me for the transfer and investment of the fund. As you will help me in an investment, and I will like to complete my studies, as I was in my 1st year in the university, when the crisis started.
It is my intention to compensate you with 10% of the total money for your services and the balance shall be my investment capital. This is the reason why I decided to contact you. Please all communications should be through this email address only for confidential purposes.
As soon as I receive your positive response showing your interest I will put things into action immediately. In the light of the above, I shall appreciate an urgent message indicating your ability and willingness to handle this transaction sincerely. I am staying at the female hostel.
Awaiting your urgent and positive response. Please do keep this only to your self please I beg you not to disclose it to anybody for security purposes.
I promise you my sincerity and honest over this our relationship and will always love you forever. I expect your honest and earnest reply.
Yours Sincerely,
Miss Mayinta Elliot.
*http://anti-scam.de/cgi-bin/yab...num=1310299921
This scan has a name : It is the Nigerian scam http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advance-fee_fraud
Do se vi ricevas tian mesaĝon, ne kredu tiuj zorge elektitaj vortoj estas veraj! So if you get a message like this, dont believe that those well chosen words aer true! "I am [...], slim a very good looking girl, kindly permit my contacting you through this media for obvious reasons which you will understand when we discuss details of my proposition. Please I will like you to reply me through my email address.([...]) I am looking forward to your positive confirmation to enable us have an important discussion. I will send my pictures later."
[not needed anymore- removed by CK]
I'll take care of the German translations (pp. 1-15 for now).