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AlanF_US
2019-07-04 15:50 - 2019-07-04 16:00
In this thread:

https://tatoeba.org/eng/wall/sh...#message_32136

@Impersonator did a great job of describing the issues that are not covered when our proper nouns are limited to a small set of English names (John, Mary, Boston, and so on). He made me aware how much practice I'm missing in terms of declining names in Russian. As a result, I've added sentences containing Russian person and place names to a list of sentences that I'm hoping will be translated into Russian (and related languages):

https://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences_lists/show/7377

In the same thread, @CK offered the argument that restricting names to a small set reduces the occurrence of near-duplicate sentences and fosters a more highly linked collection of sentences. I think there is a better way to avoid the accidental submission of near-duplicate sentences, namely to contribute distinctive sentences. That's what I've tried to do. But if the sentences, or parts of them, resemble other sentences that have been translated, I don't consider that a catastrophe. The mere fact that they contain these names mean they are covering issues that we cannot address with "Tom and Mary" sentences.
mraz
2019-07-01 07:47
#8005447 >> Esperanto is a key to peace. (peace = béke)
@maaster
How should I understand it?
If everyone speaks Esperanto,
the Kingdom of God will come?

Rövid válasz:

Az eszperantó a 125 éves rövid időszak után a világon beszélt
6800 nyelv közül a leghasználtabb 100 nyelv között van.

Esperanto, origine la Lingvo Internacia, estas la plej disvastigita internacia planlingvo. En 1887 Esperanton parolis nur manpleno da homoj;
Esperanto havis unu el la plej malgrandaj lingvo-komunumoj de la mondo.
Ĝi funkciis dekomence kiel lingvo de alternativa komunikado kaj de arta kreivo.
En 2012, la lingvo fariĝis la 64-a tradukebla per Google Translate.
En 2016, la lingvo fariĝis tradukebla per Yandex Translate[;
laŭ 2016, Esperanto aperis en listoj de lingvoj plej lernataj kaj konataj
en Hungarujo.<<<
La nomo de la lingvo venas de la kaŝnomo “D-ro Esperanto„ sub kiu la juda kuracisto Ludoviko Lazaro Zamenhofo en la jaro 1887 publikigis la bazon de la lingvo. La unua versio, la rusa, ricevis la cenzuran permeson disvastiĝi
en la 26-a de julio; ĉi tiun daton oni konsideras la naskiĝtago de Esperanto.
>>>>>>>>
Li celis kaj sukcesis krei facile lerneblan neŭtralan lingvon, taŭgan por uzo en la internacia komunikado; la celo tamen ne estas anstataŭigi aliajn, naciajn lingvojn.

Pri tiu ĉi sono Prelego de Zamenhof en la 1-a monda kongreso de Esperanto en Bulonjo (1905)

Kvankam neniu ŝtato akceptis Esperanton kiel oficialan lingvon, Esperanto tamen eniris en la oficialan instruadon en pluraj landoj kiel Hungario kaj Ĉinio. Esperanto troviĝas en la listo de la 30 lingvoj, kies instruado akiris ie en la mondo la prestiĝan Eaquals-kvaliton.

La lingvo estas uzata de internacia komunumo, nombranta laŭ diversaj taksoj cent mil ĝis du milionojn da parolantoj (depende de la lingvonivelo); estas laŭ diversaj taksoj inter proksimume unu kaj pluraj miloj da denaskaj parolantoj[14].

Esperanto akiris kelkajn internaciajn distingojn, ekzemple du rezoluciojn de UNESCO aŭ subtenon de konataj personoj de la publika vivo. Nuntempe ĝi estas uzata por vojaĝado, korespondado, interkompreniĝo dum internaciaj renkontiĝoj kaj kulturaj interŝanĝoj, kongresoj, sciencaj diskutoj, origina kaj tradukita literaturo, muziko, teatro, kino, presita kaj interreta raportadoj, radia kaj televida elsendadoj.

La vortprovizo de Esperanto devenas plejparte el la okcidenteŭropaj lingvoj, dum ĝia sintakso kaj morfologio montras ankaŭ slavlingvan influon. La morfemoj ne ŝanĝiĝas kaj oni povas ilin preskaŭ senlime kombini, kreante diverssignifajn vortojn, Esperanto do havas multajn kunaĵojn kun la analizaj lingvoj, al kiuj apartenas ekzemple la ĉina; kontraŭe la interna strukturo de Esperanto certagrade respegulas la aglutinajn lingvojn, kiel la japanan, svahilan aŭ turkan.

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Zamenhof célja az volt, hogy egy könnyen megtanulható
és politikailag semleges nyelvet hozzon létre, amely
„meghaladja” a nemzetkultúrák határait,
és előmozdítja a békét és a nemzetközi megértést az emberek között.
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Zamenhof's goal was to create an easy and flexible language
that would serve as a universal second language to foster peace
and international understanding, and to build a community of speakers,
as he correctly inferred that one could not have a language without
a community of speakers.
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CK
CK
2019-07-04 07:43
Seael
2019-06-30 18:55
Not sure if this would be easy to implement here but I'll mention it just in case.

Would it be feasible to implement here a way to show the content of a sentence when placing / hovering the cursor over a sentence number? In other sites, something similar can be achieved when hovering over certain images or links: a little box containing some text pops up.

Such a feature would be very useful to check the sentence without having to click on it to see its content.
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CK
CK
2019-07-01 01:20
Do you mean that you want to be able to mouseover a sentence in search results to see all the translations? Or, do you mean translations, comments, ratings and tags?

The former would require that same amount of database interaction as using the advanced search, with the setting "Show translations in: All languages," so perhaps doing that would be better since it's something already available.

The latter would require even more time connecting to the database, so the page would load in even slower.
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fjay69
2019-07-01 08:07
If open a sentence, there are Logs block in the right part of the page. So Seael probably wants this: mouseover on hash-sentence will call an ajax query, and after server responce will create a fixed div block with sentence text.
Seael
2019-07-01 21:35
I think fjay69's got it but, as I am not 100% sure about it, I'll just use the sentence on top of the previous discussion as an example of what I mean.

I'd like to hover the cursor over #8005447 and then get a little box popping up near it and containing the following text in: "Esperanto is a key to peace". That's all.
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Seael
2019-07-01 21:37 - 2019-07-01 21:51
:o And actually it is happening!!! 👏👏👏

Mmm... But it only seems to be working on this wall... 🤔

And in the comments, too!!! 👏👏👏 It was there were I mainly wanted them! Now I'm not truly sure if that feature already existed or it has just been implemented but it's great!
EstasKorea
2019-07-01 11:45
https://tatoeba.org/kor/sentences/show/189727

雨が降るそうだ。

Doesn't this sentence only have a meaning ”It is said that it will rain." or "They say it will rain."? In Japaneses, when そうだ follows the complete form, it makes the followed sentence has a meaning as a message. If you'd like it to be "It seems like it will rain.", 雨が降りそうだ。will be right. It seems that there are a lot of wrong translations there....
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fjay69
2019-07-01 11:48
These sentenses are from Tanaka Corpus. See Warning/Disclaimer here: http://www.edrdg.org/wiki/index.php/Tanaka_Corpus
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EstasKorea
2019-07-01 11:54
So how can I fix or remove that wrong translations?
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TRANG
2019-07-01 16:41
Regarding wrong translations in general: we have a mechanism to "unlink" sentences. So when two sentences are correct on their own, but not good translations of each other, they should be unlinked. But that is not something regular contributors can do.

As a regular contributor, what you can do however is simply post a comment on the sentence. What you posted here on the Wall could have been posted directly on https://tatoeba.org/kor/sentences/show/189727. Then someone with the proper permission (and the proper knowledge) will unlink.

I suspect however that the wrong translations you are talking about are the indirect translations. You will notice that some translations have a blue arrow and others have a grey arrow. The ones with a grey arrow are indirect translations (that is, translation of a translation) and it is normal that they will not always match the main sentence.
sharptoothed
2019-07-01 14:21
* Tatoeba Top 30 Languages Interactive Graphs*

Tatoeba Top 30 Languages Interactive Graphs have been updated:
https://tatoeba.j-langtools.com/igraph/
https://tatoeba.j-langtools.com/igraph/share.html
CK
CK
2019-07-01 10:16
How to Use the Tatoeba Corpus to Study English

http://www.manythings.org/tatoeba/eng/

Several members have already checked this out and I've made several changes based on their feedback.

I'd love to get some more feedback on this.
Are there any obvious things I've overlooked?
Are there any improvements you can suggest?
Did something not work as expected?
etc.

Note that this won't really be so useful for your friends who may not be logged-in to tatoeba.org, since the audio player on tatoeba.org isn't yet shown to non-logged-in visitors in search results.

Please send comments and feedback to me via tatoeba.org's private messaging system.
https://tatoeba.org/eng/private_messages/write/CK
mraz
2019-07-01 08:13
#8012086 (maaster)

Nem megengedhető az ilyen mondat
a Tatoebán!
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Etvreurey
2019-07-01 09:20
Lapos Föld után már mind1...
Orava
2019-06-30 08:01
Is there a way to make an advanced search on a list that would show the sentences added to the list first?

If not, I would like that feature because going through a list of someone's sentences with audio is a bit difficult when hundreds of sentences are added to the list every now and then, and it takes time for me to find the page where I left off.

Any ideas how to systematically go through a list that is probably growing in the near future, such as this? https://tatoeba.org/eng/sentenc.../show/8977/eng
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CK
CK
2019-06-30 22:58 - 2019-06-30 23:42
You can view a list showing the oldest items on the list first. This way, you could bookmark the page where you leave off and continue from there the next time.

https://tatoeba.org/eng/sentenc...&direction=asc

This needs to be at the end of the list's URL.
?sort=created&direction=asc
CK
CK
2019-06-30 00:10 - 2019-06-30 00:29
Here is a search that will find the 1,000 longest "sentences" with audio.

https://tatoeba.org/eng/sentenc...rt_reverse=yes

Some items are actually multiple-sentence entries.

Even if you jump to the last page, you'll notice that the sentences are still fairly long.