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11164880 11164880 7 päivää sitten 12. maaliskuuta 2024 klo 2.06.10 UTC link Ikilinkki

您好,我想要下载完整的多语种语音数据集,有什么办法可以下载吗?

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DJ_Saidez DJ_Saidez 6 päivää sitten 12. maaliskuuta 2024 klo 3.47.35 UTC link Ikilinkki

链接在此。https://tatoeba.org/zh-cn/downloads
如果您有任何问题,请告诉我们!

DaoSeng DaoSeng 6 päivää sitten 12. maaliskuuta 2024 klo 19.49.37 UTC link Ikilinkki

從 DJ_Saidez 給的頁面上下載好像需要一定的編程能力。幾年前有位用戶把這裡的音頻放進了 Anki 的牌組:https://ankiweb.net/shared/by-author/604511069 。您要是有 Anki ( https://apps.ankiweb.net )的話可以先下載那些牌組,然後再從 Anki 裡導出。

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DJ_Saidez DJ_Saidez 2 päivää sitten 16. maaliskuuta 2024 klo 5.29.23 UTC link Ikilinkki

Thanks for sharing the Anki links, a lot easier!

2 päivää sitten 16. maaliskuuta 2024 klo 5.22.16 UTC link Ikilinkki
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saverius saverius 9 päivää sitten 9. maaliskuuta 2024 klo 20.27.28 UTC link Ikilinkki

¿Cómo se dice "adoctrinamiento" en latín?

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soridsolid soridsolid 5 päivää sitten 13. maaliskuuta 2024 klo 2.51.33 UTC link Ikilinkki

I think ''imbuere'' is the best fit. (source: ''Smith & Hall'', and ''Georges-1910'')
The formula is: imbuere aliquem aliqua re.

7 päivää sitten 11. maaliskuuta 2024 klo 9.40.53 UTC link Ikilinkki
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sharptoothed sharptoothed 8 päivää sitten 10. maaliskuuta 2024 klo 10.18.34 UTC link Ikilinkki

✹✹ Stats & Graphs ✹✹

Tatoeba Stats, Graphs & Charts have been updated:
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10 päivää sitten 8. maaliskuuta 2024 klo 2.49.27 UTC link Ikilinkki
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CK CK 15 päivää sitten 3. maaliskuuta 2024 klo 22.51.51 UTC link Ikilinkki

🍎 Bilingual Audio Pairs

Get random selections of 1,000 setences using these links.

Spanish with Audio Linked to English with Audio
https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...a&trans_to=eng
67,376 occurrences

German with Audio Linked to English with Audio
https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...u&trans_to=eng
29,316 occurrences

Kabyle with Audio Linked to English with Audio
https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...b&trans_to=eng
28,267 occurrences

Esperanto with Audio Linked to English with Audio
https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...o&trans_to=eng
15,063 occurrences

Portuguese with Audio Linked to English with Audio
https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...r&trans_to=eng
14,069 occurrences

French with Audio Linked to English with Audio
https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...a&trans_to=eng
8,536 occurrences

Dutch with Audio Linked to English with Audio
https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...d&trans_to=eng
7,188 occurrences

Hungarian with Audio Linked to English with Audio
https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...n&trans_to=eng
6,185 occurrences

Russian with Audio Linked to English with Audio
https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...s&trans_to=eng
5,893 occurrences

Japanese with Audio Linked to English with Audio
https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...n&trans_to=eng
2,136 occurrences

If you prefer to see all translations, and not only English translations, change the last 3 letters of the above URLs to "und". (&trans_to=eng => &trans_to=und)

These are only a few of the possibilities.

Try other possibilities, starting with this "pre-filled advanced search form" set for Spanish-German pairs. (7,513 occurrences)

https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...rd_count_min=1

CK CK 23 päivää sitten, muokattu 23 päivää sitten 24. helmikuuta 2024 klo 14.24.01 UTC, muokattu 24. helmikuuta 2024 klo 14.26.17 UTC link Ikilinkki

🍎 Are you looking for English sentences to translate into your own language?

Here are some sentences that have audio that do not yet have translations into any language.

ddnktr's Sentences (732)

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shekitten's Sentences (328)

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Miktsoanit's Sentences (140)

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AlanF_US's Sentences (30)

https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...rd_count_min=1

sundown's Sentences (8)

https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...rd_count_min=1

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sacredceltic sacredceltic 19 päivää sitten 28. helmikuuta 2024 klo 21.35.18 UTC link Ikilinkki

These links aren’t functional…

sharptoothed sharptoothed 22 päivää sitten 25. helmikuuta 2024 klo 17.12.19 UTC link Ikilinkki

✹✹ Stats & Graphs ✹✹

Tatoeba Stats, Graphs & Charts have been updated:
https://tatoeba.j-langtools.com/allstats/

lbdx lbdx 3. helmikuuta 2024, muokattu 3. helmikuuta 2024 3. helmikuuta 2024 klo 9.41.48 UTC, muokattu 3. helmikuuta 2024 klo 9.54.18 UTC link Ikilinkki

** Pruned/Rebalanced Lists **

Rebalanced lists are lexical filters that provide a more varied and balanced view of the Tatoeba Corpus. They prohibit a word from occurring more than 10 times as often as in a reference corpus. Long sentences of more than 15 words have little success with translators and are therefore systematically pruned. The most recent sentences are pruned before older ones. The words targeted are usually pervasive named entities that are used extensively by a few Tatoebans, and not relevant across languages.

10 major languages on Tatoeba are currently supported:
- English: https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...=1&orphans=any
- French: https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...=1&orphans=any
- German: https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...=1&orphans=any
- Italian: https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...=1&orphans=any
- Japanese: https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...=1&orphans=any
- Mandarin Chinese: https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...=1&orphans=any
- Portuguese: https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...=1&orphans=any
- Russian: https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...=1&orphans=any
- Spanish: https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...=1&orphans=any
- Turkish: https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...=1&orphans=any

All rebalanced lists are updated automatically every Saturday.

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sundown sundown 4. helmikuuta 2024, muokattu 4. helmikuuta 2024 4. helmikuuta 2024 klo 9.00.09 UTC, muokattu 4. helmikuuta 2024 klo 9.00.42 UTC link Ikilinkki

@lbdx Reading your description of the list in your profile, it's interesting to me that you date the imbalance of the English corpus to 2017: that's when I joined. Sharptooth's graphs show a massive increase of English sentences at that time. Until 2020 (or thereabouts), I myself had only added about 1,500 sentences.

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lbdx lbdx 4. helmikuuta 2024 4. helmikuuta 2024 klo 10.46.11 UTC link Ikilinkki

The years 2017 and 2018 were years in which Tatoeba's main English-speaking contributor added hundreds of thousands of sentences in bulk.These sentences were mostly built according to syntactic patterns and used wildcards to avoid creating paraphrases that differ only in their named entities. These massive additions have greatly reduced the lexical diversity of the English corpus and increased the proportion of sentences containing pervasive words from 20% to 40%. This sudden change coincides with a sharp drop in the number of active contributors to Tatoeba.

The introduction of rate limits for sentence additions would prevent such a flood from happening again.

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sundown sundown 11. helmikuuta 2024 11. helmikuuta 2024 klo 8.07.40 UTC link Ikilinkki

Thanks, @lbdx. It's good to have some numbers to back up what should be obvious to anyone who cares to look a bit at the English corpus and who has shaped it. Could you give us some more detail about the sharp drop in the number of active contributors? For example, has it been across all languages and countries?

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lbdx lbdx 14. helmikuuta 2024 14. helmikuuta 2024 klo 17.56.52 UTC link Ikilinkki

The number of monthly sentence owners fell from 350-400 between 2012 and 2016 to 250-300 between 2017 and 2023. I don't have the details by language.

TRANG TRANG 14. helmikuuta 2024 14. helmikuuta 2024 klo 14.04.32 UTC link Ikilinkki

Do you have any recommendation on what might be a good rate limit?

I did find a post where you suggested 3000 original sentences per month in one language:
https://tatoeba.org/en/wall/sho...#message_39818
Just wondering if you still think it's a good rate limit, or do you perhaps have another opinion now?
Any particular reason why you suggested a monthly rather than a daily or weekly cap?

If I may share some additional insight, perhaps some people don't know, but Tatoeba used to have a mass import feature. Only admins could access it, but you could send a list of sentences to an admin and ask for them to be imported. The feature was disabled on January 2019 because we migrated CakePHP from v2 to v3, and we didn't feel it was urgent to migrate the mass import feature. It was for the best, I guess. I would say this feature was the main cause for the reduced lexical diversity of the English corpus.

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lbdx lbdx 14. helmikuuta 2024 14. helmikuuta 2024 klo 17.48.48 UTC link Ikilinkki

Trang, thank you for reopening the debate on this important issue.

My view on this has evolved slightly. I now think it would be simpler and more understandable to also include derived sentences in this rate limit of 3,000 sentences per language per month. Sentence counts would be reset at the beginning of each month. Once the limit has been reached, the user would not be allowed to add any more sentences until the following month. I prefer a monthly rate limit because it doesn't penalise users who don't contribute every day or every week.

Note that I'm not against the occasional import of other corpora into Tatoeba as long as they are lexically balanced and composed of sentences that are useful for language learners.

morbrorper morbrorper 15. helmikuuta 2024 15. helmikuuta 2024 klo 9.07.39 UTC link Ikilinkki

I don't see the problem with a native speaker contributing useful sentences in great volumes; I'd rather have that than non-native speakers contributing questionable sentences, even in small volumes. But then, I don't see a big problem with Tom and Mary either.

I used to be a proponent of limits, but the more I think about it, I think any workable limits would have to be set so high as to make them more or less meaningless.

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Miktsoanit Miktsoanit 15. helmikuuta 2024, muokattu 15. helmikuuta 2024 15. helmikuuta 2024 klo 17.52.29 UTC, muokattu 15. helmikuuta 2024 klo 17.52.43 UTC link Ikilinkki

> I don't see the problem with a native speaker contributing useful sentences in great volumes; I'd rather have that than non-native speakers contributing questionable sentences, even in small volumes.

This is too simple. A native speaker contributing 1000 auto-generated sentences isn't necessarily more valuable than a non-native speaker contributing one correct sentence.

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morbrorper morbrorper 16. helmikuuta 2024 16. helmikuuta 2024 klo 18.05.13 UTC link Ikilinkki

Obviously, we don't want any auto-generated content at all. But even with limits per hour, day, week and month, or a combination thereof, it's trivial to adjust a script to conform with that, and still be able to upload thousands of sentences we don't want.

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Yorwba Yorwba 30 päivää sitten 17. helmikuuta 2024 klo 9.17.09 UTC link Ikilinkki

Yes, an automated script can be slowed down arbitrarily to conform with any given limit, until it no longer has a quantitative advantage over someone adding sentences manually.

Uploading thousands of sentences we don't want is only possible if you're able to upload thousands of sentences in the first place.

16. helmikuuta 2024 16. helmikuuta 2024 klo 10.03.14 UTC link Ikilinkki
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